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Kansas Prairie if you don't get the powder or activator as they call it you can use citric acid instead. Not sure where you get that but I think maybe a pharmacy might have some. I know Karen uses the oxine in her pond without the activator, but the powder is what makes the steam stuff come up and makes the smell it makes.
Well DH wants to go to town to eat so I gotta run.
Yeah Checoukan she is either large fowl or a very lanky bantam. She isn't marked bad but just not that awesome quality I have come to expect. The roo just developed a black feather in his head. It wasn't there when I sold all the others. You could pluck that if you consider showing him. Otherwise I think he is awesome.
 
Thanks for the info on the Oxine, Danz. Metric won't be any problem for me
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Congrats on the ding dong - it will be nice to sleep in peace tonight.

I saw one of my muscovy drakes mate a duck this evening, which surprised me. I really wasn't expecting any action or eggs until spring. I don't know what this means - if he was just feeling randy or if he senses she is ready to start laying? They are just over 5 months old so I guess I will find out in the next few weeks (or months).
 
Do not use the activator in a vaporizer. Use the activator only for killing pests in the coop, with birds outside of coop. Use just the straight Oxine or the generic equivalent. I found a generic equivalent that was only $13 per gallon. I think it was at Lambert's also. I'll look it up and post a link.
 
Okay, here's the link to a great price ($12.95) on a gallon of the generic equivalent of Oxine. Add approx $10 for freight shipping for around $23.00 per gallon. If you only need a small amount Mitchell Veterinary Supply on Mosley in Wichita has a small bottle for less but I don't remember how much it was. It was the generic also. Atwood's and TSC do not carry Oxine or the generic equivalent.

Again, do not use the activator when using the vaporizer to treat fungal lunge infections. Just use the straight Oxine.

http://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail....7b6a-11d5-a192-00b0d0204ae5&gas=disinfectants
 
KarenS, thanks for that link, I have some Oxine, but it is pretty expensive for the brand name one.

Danz, I'm sorry about your birds being sick. I just don't know what this is going around, I have not seen it before. Oh & I meant to say congrats on the wicked witch.

I lost my Wheaten Ameraucana rooster today, he was going to be used for breeding next spring & the little blue wheaten pullet is not doing that well either. I'm just debating now about whether to look for another rooster in the spring or just let it go. I have the wheaten pullet yet & she is so far doing OK. My Cream Legbars aren't doing that well either, so I don't know if I will have those to breed next year either. It seems like the Swedish Flower Hens are much sturdier birds than the Cream Legbars, they seem to be doing pretty well. I know exactly how you feel Danz because I spent so much money on these Cream Legbars, first for eggs that none made it from & then the chicks that have been sick & aren't doing well. I feel very discouraged about all of it too.

I moved my one black Ameraucana pullet in with my big Black Ameraucana rooster & the lavender hens & she spent the night in a crate in the pen. Then today I let her out & she did pretty well this time. I think they finally got that she was going to be in there with them one way or the other so they settled down & didn't attack her so much. I have one black rooster in my grow-out pen that I know for sure about now, he is getting his hackle feathers in & he is getting some nice beetle green color. I hope he turns out nice for my breeding program, something needs to go right around here. I don't know yet about the other small one in that pen whether it's a pullet or another rooster. It has taken me months to figure out the sexes on these black birds.

I got a lot done today that needed to get done, but I sure was tired tonight. I took all 12 trays out from under all the rabbit cages & emptied all of them out & sprayed them off with the hose, let them dry, & then carried them all back into the garage & put fresh pine shavings in. That takes a lot out of me when I do that chore, it's exhausting. The trays are heavy when they're full & I'm thinking I need to get plastic ones for the two large cages, those trays are just about more than I can handle. Then I went out to the run in front of the main coop & dis-assembled the little pen I keep in there for small chicks after they leave the brooder. I decided I would like to take it apart for the winter & give the chickens more room in the run. I just leaned the panels up against the wall & will bungee it in place so the chickens can't knock it over on them. Then in the spring when I get some new chicks I can just screw it back together, hook the wire back on the top & use it again. The worst part of taking it down was having to pry the staples out on one whole side & the end that were holding the wire on. I didn't take it off the other side, I just folded it over the panel & tucked it behind. I think I'm almost done winterizing everything except I need to get the waterers taken care of. I'm short one for one pen. I have two heated dog bowls & two heated water bases, but I need one more. I haven't decided if I want to just buy another heated base or one more heated dog bowl. Of course the heated dog bowl would be the cheapest option. Do any of you use the heated dog bowls for your chickens? I used two last year & it worked fine. I may have to buy two more actually because the dogs & cats need one too. Orschelyn's puts them on sale a lot of the time & I try to pick one up when they do.
 
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We were using the JB Weld to glue a piece. There is a little piece that sticks out that is like a plastic tube, to it connects a rubber tube that goes to the pressure switch. The plastic tube was broken, we got that fixed and it's all sealed again and the pressure switch is working so there must be something else wrong. I can hear it trying to work, I can hear the gas, but it doesn't ignite. HMMMM, maybe we need to check the current to the igniter. I'm so thankful it's not terribly cold out.

Kansas Prairie, you make a good point about the furnace being out. My dh is practically laying on my arm and it's hard to type this way. :) The hot flashes haven't hit me yet, but I'm sure it's just around the corner as I hear that clock ticking. Tick Tock. That's a really funny goat pic.

Maidenwolf, now I want a turkey. I mean I had been thinking about it, but now I know I want to raise just a few for us. He's so pretty. Your roo is beautiful too. I think that checoukan is probably talking about the same thing I was going to suggest but I don't know it by that name. I was going to suggest going to the USDA office, they have programs for first time home buyers, and low income home buyers. They should have something available to help you.

Lizzy, I'm so sorry you are still dealing with the sick fish. Now you will get to see how those new vents work out, that's a good thing. I'm sorry things are stressful right now.

Danz, I'm so sorry about your sick roo. You know how some basements are but if you know yours is safe I'm sure it is. The basements in newer houses seem unaffected by molds and such. I don't know how many birds you have in your basement. Is it just one type of birds affected by this? Are they the only ones in the basement? Maybe you could figure out a causing factor just by process of elimination. I would be more inclined to think that they are sheltered from developing immunities by not being exposed as they would normally. I ran in to this with my kids a bit too. I have a microscope, and I love to use it, I wish I could use it to figure this out. I would have to study chicken germs and I haven't done that before.

Hawkeye, I don't know what a slurry is. Do you have a link? Hey, the software that you use, does it have a capability to measure the distance around an object or between certain nodes. I need to measure the distance around 2 curves, one is all the way around and one is from certain nodes to make the two pieces fit together, it's a pattern. I keep having to adjust and recut and see if it fits, it's such a pain.

Citric acid is vitamin C, you can actually use vitamin C tablets in place of citric acid. Fruit fresh is also citric acid. I have lots of citric acid we use it to make bath fizzies. I can look at where I got it from tomorrow. Probably any type of acid would have the same effect, vinegar or lemon juice, but I don't know that specifically with Oxine. Does it smell like bleach when mixed? It does sound enticing.

DING DONG HOORAY!!!!! I don't like wicked witches anyway!

I wanted to comment about the deer meat. I really had problems eating it for, well... forever. I didn't like it, it tasted gamey and strong. I basically had been refusing to eat it because of the few times I'd had it here and there. My dh recently processed one for us, he'd been telling me all along it's all in how it's processed, I guess I'm saying he's right, shhhh. They bleed it out INSTANTLY and thoroughly and soak it in salt water for a few days, rinsing and replacing the water each day. It really is good, eating things like this doesn't come naturally to me, but seriously now I can't say it has anything to do with the taste, it tastes good.

Maidenwolf, I would think that your two eggs were from different pullets because of the difference in size. I didn't think that one pullet's egg would grow in size that much so fast.

Sapphire, don't worry about heating the waterer just to keep it from freezing, that's not hot enough to hurt anything. I think a little warning/notice sticker would be appropriate. It's just not something that you think about. I looked all over for info about the manufacturer but it's not even on the label. I'm not saying this is their fault at all, I did this, but it could have been prevented.

HEChicken, what is "on a spit"?

Kansas Prairie, I would leave them out until I get back, leaving the door open so they can get in and then just close it when I get back. We haven't had much trouble with predators getting into our barn, but I think the dog helps out there too. I don't go close us my coops until late anyway but I can see them from the window too. The coyotes have been close and the dog has been trying to compete with the racket they make. He's barking a lot, I think he keeps them at a distance.

HEChicken, I had to read your goat milking story to my dh but I was laughing so hard I could hardly read it. That's too funny.

Michelle, I agree that a milk crate is big enough. It will do just fine.

I sold 6 more pullets today sticking to my price of $2 per month of age, the lady didn't even blink an eye at that. I don't have many more left to sell, just a few that would be getting close to laying. My dh is happy with how they are moving, I think it motivates him to help with this endeavor too. They came out to pick them out and she had her little children with her and they were not dressed for the weather. It was so windy and cold this morning my ears hurt in the wind. I had on a heavy jacket. One of the kids was in shorts and she was so cold and I felt so bad. I had the boys bring the swing around that has a big shade on it, we put the shade down to block the wind even more. Then I had my dd get some blankets for them. She said that she told them to dress warmer and they'll learn and I'm sure they will but I still felt badly that they were freezing. The kids were quite afraid of animals, even the baby chicks. We locked up the dog but even baby kittens were causing squeals. I tucked a tiny chick in my jacket and sat down in front of them on the swing and talked to them for a bit. Then I told them I had something I wanted to show them and got them curious. Then I showed them the tiny chick, just barely letting it peek out of my jacket. I asked if they wanted to touch it, 2 wouldn't touch it, 1 touched it and didn't want to hold it. The youngest boy finally held it but only for a second. I don't know what or how they will deal with the pullets.

My baby chicks that are supposedly Ameraucana but I suspect EE's are doing wonderfully. They are just precious. I'm so glad they adjusted to their abrupt move from inside to outside so well. The chick with the hurt eye, it's doing very well adjusting too. Tonight, I went out and gave them their sweet potatoes, I felt so badly they hadn't had their treat in 2 days. They were trying to peck my hands so I had to go get it for them, my dh laughed at me. I got to get a closer look at the hurt one though. She used to try to peck at her sweet potato and miss it and have to try again. Now she can get it right away, I don't think she's seeing better but adapting to having one eye. He other eye looks weird, it's completely white now. I do think that she had some type of abcess around/under her eye, it drained so much but the bulge went down and now she seems so much better. She may get along just fine like that.

My eggs are in lock down and the one that I taped the shell pipped this morning, it's starting to zip, tomorrow is day 21. I hope more start going tomorrow. My dh got a wild idea to use an old refrigerator wire rack as a door for the shelving/brooders in what is going to be our brooder room. At first I was kinda agitated about this idea, but they really do fit nicely and are lightweight and not so bulky for me. I think it's going to work just fine. We are still brain storming and playing around with different ideas for the lights, we will have at least part of it done this weekend althought I don't need to move any out for about a week still.
The BO chicks I got about a month ago are towering over my hatch that is very close in age, I'm tempted to move them with the group older. They are closer in size but I'm not sure they're ready for more freedom, they aren't cautious at all. I'm pretty sure one may be a roo. They too peck at my hands, they seem to think my ring is food. I really enjoy playing with them.

Selling the pullets this am gives me just one more pullet in my 3-4mo old group, I am going to put her with the girls and make that coop the grow out coop for now, that should be adequate until spring when I start moving more outside again.

Danz, exactly what type of work are you needing help with? Sawing, nailing, measuring? Do you know what you want and need done and just need someone to do it and you can instruct?

Hey, if anyone happens to read this in time, Harvesters wasn't last weekend, it's tomorrow and starts very early. My dh will be there by 7am. It's at an Assembly of God church in Paola. I don't think you need to bring any paperwork but it wouldn't hurt to just incase. I don't remember what we had to do the first time we went, but we don't bring any of that now.
 
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Mommahen-- I do love the turkeys. I got them at first for food but,, their personalities have won me over and now they will be for eggs and breeding. I just think they are wonderful.. We looked at the USDA and FSA thing and you have to have good credit for the farm buyers and we are waiting for info for the other
I got another egg yesterday that was about the size of the 2nd egg, so I probably have a few laying now.
 
Well Karen I didn't read your post about not adding the activator to the oxine. But it is totally miraculous. The rooster has made an huge turn around this morning! I like to think the oxine was the big contributor because he was still sneezing last night a lot at bedtime and just laying. He is still sneezing a little this morning but it isn't very hard or often. Now I have to decide what to remove of all the treatments I gave him. I am thinking I won't give him the tylan shot today but I will keep the denagard and probiotic in the water, and keep the vaporizor going. I had vet Rx on the cotton ball on top of the vaporizor and I had about a cup of activated oxine mixed with the water inside. I had the olansk moved to my bedroom so we all breathed that stuff last night. I also feel great today. I know you aren't supposed to breath the fumes directly of activated oxine for awhile but it certainly didn't hurt anyone.
I've actually got a spray bottle in my brooder house that I spray some near the water fount occasionally when they get the shavings wet. It has never hurt the chicks. Of course it isn't concentrated like it would be if you were cleaning full strength.
My basement is more of a storage area right now. It had been finished at one time but there was water leaks and the previous owner ripped it all out before repairing it. I have every intent of finishing the space some day but right now it is just a dusty basement. The olansk were the only 3 birds down there. I had button quail down there last winter but none since then. I am sure it and the rest of my house isn't a real healthy environment because I have chick dust everywhere. But with all these incubators going that is just something that you can't do much about. Some day I'll find the time to really get the basement cleaned up. Right now it is just an ignored nasty space. I can't get the upstairs cleaned, let alone down there. It was my goal to have it done by last Thanksgiving and it still isn't done.
As far as what I need help with are some major building projects, fence building, footing poured etc etc. I am one of those people who just doesn't hire work done and at this age it is getting harder and harder to get things done. DH has always been slow and calculated. Very much like what Trish describes her DH. There is a lot more time spent thinking things out than actually doing any work. And things I would have tackled before I don't even attempt now. A lot of it has to do with it never being quite perfect enough.
Yes mammahen Oxine does smell similar to bleach when activated, it produces chlorine chloride. I know it works a thousand times better than bleach and much safer. It is used in the food industry safely to disinfect and clean things. It is also used to wash eggs so it can't be too awful. It's recommended for cleaning things like poultry houses.
Heather, you made me laugh again. Nope I don't suppose metric bothers you a bit!! I hate metric.... or rather I hate trying to accurately convert stuff to standard units from metric. It's not so bad other than trying to cook recipes in metric. And I find more and more of them like that.
So on other subjects, now that my polish are going to be living with Checoukan, I need to get busy dividing my building and pen they were in, into an Orpington pen. I think I am going to put Lavenders on one side and lemon cuckoo on the other. I wish I had enough room to house my buffs there too but that would be way too many birds. I plan to use a lemon roo to breed the buffs. My daughter is doing that and because of the English import of the lemons is ending up with bigger fluffier buff orpingtons. I could go ahead and move the lemons and lavenders out there without dividing it now cause they aren't breeding age yet. But it's probably easier to move them after the work is done. I also have to finish dividing the pen they are all in now and making a second door on the coop. I plan to keep the Olansk and the d'uccles in there. I'll have to do something different later though because I have mille fleur and porcelain d'uccle chicks. At some point it is obvious I will have to separate them further. I only have 2 pullets and two cockerels that are near breeding age right now.
Plans plans and more plans.
I still have some silver laced and gold laced LF polish I would like to breed but there are so few I hate to take space for them. They have always free ranged so I don't know if they would adapt to being kept in a small area or not. I guess they might all just stay around here and die of old age if I don't do something with them.
 

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