Consumer reports article on salmonella in store bought birds

[Buster52]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

Your assertion that a farmer with a CAFO is not a REAL FARMER is insulting to those of us that strive to produce wholesome, nutritious food for today's consumer. The implication that a Farmer with a confinement operation does not care about their livestock's health or welfare flies in the face of what we do everyday.

I believe you. I'm sure you care about the animals and their welfare, and I do consider confinement operators real farmers. I just believe there is a better way, for the animal, the farmer, and the consumer.

And when I start selling birds next year, you and anybody else who wants to can feel free to come and film anything you want. That's the key to humane, sustainable agriculture. 100% transparency. I've got nothing to hide.​

 

[bigredfeather]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

When can the media come to your operation to video tape how you raise chickens?

They're welcome to video my operation on proccessing day, heck, they can stop by anytime they want. I will gladly show how I raise and proccess my birds. I would welcome the exposure. I've seen countless videos on youtube featuring Joel Salatin and Polyface Farms. I did a search for video on a large chicken proccessor - Nothing. That ought to tell you something.​

 

[Buster52]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

Simply opening your doors to anyone that wants to see your farm is a potential avenue for introduction of diseases and pathogens.

Uh huh. And that in itself is an indictment of the CAFO system. Any system that fragile is a failed system.

Of course, you and I both know that isn't the real reason the media are banned from such operations.​

 

[bigredfeather]

Does anyone have any idea where you could find or how you go about findng an independant testing agency that could do testing on a butchered chicken for food borne contaminates? I would be intersted in finding out the cost to do a test.

 

[cassie]

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Why would you want to bother? It is not an issue unless you decide to eat the bird raw or undercooked. Just cook the darn thing and clean and disinfect the areas where the raw chicken touched. In other words use safe food handling procedures. And a test really wouldn't tell you much anyway. Just because one bird is contaminated it doesn't mean the others are. And just because the bird you had tested came out negative, that does not mean the others are negative also.

 

[dancingbear]

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Public pools have large numbers of human bodies immersed in them, each of them equipped with feet, armpits, genitals and butts. I would hope that this would not be true of a tank of water for rinsing or chilling meat for human consumption. I think that comparison is not really applicable.

Not everybody uses a lot of chlorine. There are other things to clean with, I make my own spray cleaner with essential oils. Many people use vinegar.

 

[Neil Grassbaugh]

Contaminated Poultry Meat-

Ya' know. I have been in both the backyard and commercial poultry game all my life. In fact when I started out on this planet the two seperate entities of today were actually one and the same.

Let me tell you this - there is no backyard poultry processing operation, including when we fire up the water and get out the kinives to do our own birds, that I consider cleaner than any and all commercial operations in the US or Canada. And I have been in some of the biggest commercial poultry processing plants in the world.

Now the ones in Egypt and Hong Kong left something to be desired but the USDA, trial lawyers and national media that love bad news food scares aren't watching them.

Like every old cook you ever knew advises - cook the stuff and do not recontaminate it. For, after all, the world is full of food poisioning organismis. Man himself harbors most of them. That is one of the reasons you wash your hands after going to the batroom. Even if you weren't raised on a commercial farm.

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[FluffyColor]

Luckily, I don't eat chicken.

NOW I know why someone could process a bird they raised.

 

[greathorse]

I told myself I was going to stay out of this one but cant help myself. I have been and am deeply entrenched in the natural and organic food business, specifically the meat business. I will say for the record that Hormones are not allowed in poultry production. The USDA in fact requires that if one states on a package of chicken or pork for that matter that there are no "added hormones" one must qualify that statement with a statement that indicates "that the use of hormones is not allowed in poultry/pork products. I make these labels all the time and there is no question about the fact that Hormones are not allowed

Now for antibiotics. Many folks do not consider Ionophores antibiotics, it is my understanding that Ionophores are used largely as Coccidiostats and are used in virtually all meat birds. Not sure if there is a withdrawl required but it is quite short if it is. The USDA does consider the Ionophores an antibiotic and does not allow one to label (Ask Tyson) No antibiotics on poultry if Ionophores are used in the production.

I really have never understood why there is such a heated dispute on this subject. I will say again. I am ever greatful that we have a choice in this country to
a. Produce our own
b. Choose Organically grown
c. Choose No antibitotics used
d. Choose to eat the chicken conventionally produced chickens beef pork.
e. Many other choices, Kosher, Halaal, Biondynamic, free range, the list goes on and on

We have some great producers and processors that manage to feed this nation for pennies on the dollar compared to most. I don't personally choose to eat the conventionally produced product (most of the time) because I have other choices. I have no issues with those that do. And I beleive that farmers that produce product in large farms are every bit as much of a farmer as those that choose to find niche markets. ON the other hand niche producers are not nut case Mavericks serving a "fad" they too are true producers and have a wonderful place in this market.

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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Well said.