Corid, Sulmet and a Whole Bunch of Help Needed

[Haunted55]

I am having such a bad time with chickens this year, it isn't funny. Every few days we're having to cull at least one chicken due to God knows what.

I believe I had some chicks with Marek's but at this time that seems to have come to an end. [Fingers crossed!] I also have had what I think is a bad case of coccidiosis going on. I have treated twice with Corid and once with Sulmet. Most of the chickens have normal poops now but there are still a few that are showing the yellow poop or green/white with some yellow mixed in. I totally clean the chicken house today and in doing so noticed that some of these poor babies have what looks like red tissue mixed into the poop. I am soooooo confused and lost right now.

So do I treat them with Sulmet again? Is that even safe? Do I just sit back and cull as needed? Will ACV work? Or do I just wipe out 65 birds and start again? These birds range from 15 months down to 2 months. Some have been immunized for Marek's and some haven't.

I completely cleaned their house today, soap and water/scrub brush, power washer, finished with a spray of half bleach and half water, let dry and then add their shavings and diatemaceous earth. Washed, bleached, ran through the dishwasher with 140 degree water, [no soap] their food and water containers. What am I missing?

I just processed 19 meatbirds,that were in the same house as the others, nothing on their internal organs, no ascites [ these birds were the size of small turkeys], just healthy meat birds.

Can someone give me some ideas on what I should be doing or at least push me in the right direction 'cause I'm about out of ideas.

 

[ChickensAreSweet]

The red tissue mixed in with the poo might have been shed intestinal lining (normal).

See the poo page:
http://chat.allotment.org.uk/index.php?topic=17568.0

If they are having watery diarrhea or bloody poos then they could still be suffering from coccidiosis, but if their poos are pretty normal then I'd wait and see.

Remember too, that every 8th poo or so is a caecal poo (liquid).

You can search byc for caecal poo (cecal) and shed intestinal lining if you are interested.

This might be helpful to you also:
http://www.ca.uky.edu/poultryprofit...natomy_and_Physiology/Chapter3_digestive.html
scroll down to bottom

 

[cafarmgirl]

I would get one necropsied and find out for sure what you are dealing with, or if you have access to an avian vet, take one in for testing. In a situation like this, with a lot of birds involved, it's really good to be able to pinpoint and deal with the problem. When you treated for coccidiosis did you treat everybody? That should have cleared up the problem, especially with treating more then once. How many days did you treat with Corid and at what strength?

 

[Haunted55]

I would get one necropsied and find out for sure what you are dealing with, or if you have access to an avian vet, take one in for testing. In a situation like this, with a lot of birds involved, it's really good to be able to pinpoint and deal with the problem. When you treated for coccidiosis did you treat everybody? That should have cleared up the problem, especially with treating more then once. How many days did you treat with Corid and at what strength?

Next one that dies, we are going to necropsy, as we do not have a Vet or lab to do this for us. [In Maine, I cannot find a Vet or a lab to send anything out to be tested. Anyone know better?] Everyone was treated except the meatbirds. The first Corid treatment was for 7 days, the second was for 10 days. The Sulmet was for the 6 days. 2 days @ the 2 tbls. per gallon, the last 4 @ the 1 tbls. per gallon rate.

 

[Haunted55]

The red tissue mixed in with the poo might have been shed intestinal lining (normal).

See the poo page:
http://chat.allotment.org.uk/index.php?topic=17568.0

If they are having watery diarrhea or bloody poos then they could still be suffering from coccidiosis, but if their poos are pretty normal then I'd wait and see.

Remember too, that every 8th poo or so is a caecal poo (liquid).

You can search byc for caecal poo (cecal) and shed intestinal lining if you are interested.

This might be helpful to you also:
http://www.ca.uky.edu/poultryprofit...natomy_and_Physiology/Chapter3_digestive.html
scroll down to bottom

OMG!!!!!! It's cecal!!!!!! Oh what an idiot I am!!!! Oh my poor birds, I have been treating them for nothing! Thank-you so very much for the sites. I really had no idea that yellow poop could be normal. I will try to go forth and sin no more and leave the poor things alone. Did I say thank-you? I really can't say it enough! You are truely a God send.

 

[ChickensAreSweet]

Quote:
You are welcome! Don't worry- Corid is pretty mild. Sulmet can be harder on them. You might want to treat your flock to some scrambled eggs for a nice boost!

They will love it!

Oh I see you have 65 chickens. OK never mind that would cost a fortune LOL.

 

[Haunted55]

Okay, a follow up to the original problem. Most but not all of the chicks are doing fine now. I am still having problems and deaths with 2 different groups of chicks, one @ 19 weeks and the other group @ 11 weeks. The Partridge Rocks in the first group are small and right now I have one that is hiding in a back room of the hen house. She is lying on the floor and stretching her neck slightly and almost looks like gasping. Her comb is slightly pale, actually more grayish than a red, and it's not looking good. I could touch her but she got up and walked away from me. She and her sister , who is smaller, have been hanging very close to me when I am outside or in the house with them. Neither of them seem to want to keep their eyes open for long and have been acting lethargic. I thought it was the heat, it's been in the 90's here and I have felt the same way. We just are not used to this heat in Maine, not man 'nor beast.

Today in the 11 wk group, I lost a Golden Comet. She was fine at 1:00pm and dead at 6:00pm. Yesterday I sat with this group for an hour and just watched. This little girl had been showing the same signs as the Partridge Rocks. Eyes half mast, or closed but her feathers were a bit ruffled as if she still in fact did have Coccidiousis still or again. There are two others in the 11 wk old group that I am afraid are going to go the same way.

I'm back to lost again. I hope someone can give me an idea on what I'm facing here. There are so many different syptoms showing in all of my birds that I am no longer able to make even an educated guess.

15 wk roo with touches of blue around the tips on the back of his comb, the fluffing and lethergy and death in the youngest, and the middle group....God only knows.

Is it worms? Are they reinfecting themselves somehow with the coccidious? Is it still Marek's? The Partridge were in a group I found out were not vaccinated for Marek's, the youngest were. Am I missing something that should be obvious?