Coronavirus, Covid 19 Discussion and How It Has Affected Your Daily Life Chat Thread

[IamRainey]

OK. But in a world where disease deniers keep others from remaining safe and communities support kids in having super spreader homecomings I think it's important to push back.

 

[roosterhavoc]

OK. But in a world where disease deniers keep others from remaining safe and communities support kids in having super spreader homecomings I think it's important to push back.

That makes sense as long as you’re aware that’s a two way street. There’s a lot of people that aren’t willing to put their lives on hold because of this. I can’t say I blame either side for their opinions. Everyone’s life, physical condition, age etc.. are different. What’s important to some may not be the biggest worry to someone else.

 

[aart]

OK. But in a world where disease deniers keep others from remaining safe and communities support kids in having super spreader homecomings I think it's important to push back.

I'm not denying the disease or the precautions
(I know way too much about biological contamination from working in a pharm clean room)
just the information that's spewed all over, the testing and data collection.

 

[ChocolateMouse]

That makes sense as long as you’re aware that’s a two way street. There’s a lot of people that aren’t willing to put their lives on hold because of this. I can’t say I blame either side for their opinions. Everyone’s life, physical condition, age etc.. are different. What’s important to some may not be the biggest worry to someone else.

Those people are being selfish, then. Because they're not the ones who'll die from COVID - it's gonna be essential workers and elderly and people who just have to go to the grocery store. If someone is young, healthy, with no risk factors and they refuse to put their life on hold because of it, it's not their life they're risking - it's the people who are forced to interact with them.

Like if someone wants to join the military, go skydiving, smoke, eat raw chicken, whatever, that's their call as long as they do it away from me. It's not like these people can go have asymptomatic covid spread in their own little invincible space. Instead they infect people who are trying to stay safe, and they do it with total disregard because of nonsense like "I won't live in fear" or "I won't put my life on hold" or "I'm not scared", like DANG you AINT the one who's gonna die if you get it! I 100% blame people for that.

Missing a birthday won't kill you but it may very well kill me if you don't.....

 

[roosterhavoc]

Those people are being selfish, then. Because they're not the ones who'll die from COVID - it's gonna be essential workers and elderly and people who just have to go to the grocery store. If someone is young, healthy, with no risk factors and they refuse to put their life on hold because of it, it's not their life they're risking - it's the people who are forced to interact with them.

Like if someone wants to join the military, go skydiving, smoke, eat raw chicken, whatever, that's their call as long as they do it away from me. It's not like these people can go have asymptomatic covid spread in their own little invincible space. Instead they infect people who are trying to stay safe, and they do it with total disregard because of nonsense like "I won't live in fear" or "I won't put my life on hold" or "I'm not scared", like DANG you AINT the one who's gonna die if you get it! I 100% blame people for that.

Missing a birthday won't kill you but it may very well kill me if you don't.....

Regardless this is a free country and you or anyone else me included shouldn’t be allowed to bash people for thinking differently. I totally understand what you’re saying but there’s a balance. People in their 70s in poor health don’t have the right to tell someone in their 30s what to do. They do however have the right to make arrangements to get the essentials they need without interacting with those people who are out and about on a regular basis. If you’re at risk you make the decision to stay home and avoid people.

 

[ChocolateMouse]

Regardless this is a free country and you or anyone else me included shouldn’t be allowed to bash people for thinking differently. I totally understand what you’re saying but there’s a balance. People in their 70s in poor health don’t have the right to tell someone in their 30s what to do. They do however have the right to make arrangements to get the essentials they need without interacting with those people who are out and about on a regular basis. If you’re at risk you make the decision to stay home and avoid people.

Aye, that works real well. G has COVID because he went to work every day - what's he supposed to do now that someone decided they were gonna get groceries from his workplace while being a carrier, probably without a mask or with it down from their nose?
A huge number of his coworkers are in their 50's too, should they just stay home? I'm SURE their pensions will cover it.
I have a history of pneumonia with no desire for MORE chronic lung issues and *haven't even gone out*, what am I supposed to do about that?
Or my sister in her 30's with no immune system who has a mortgage and bills. Hey sister! It's ok just stay home! Let your house foreclose, it's FINE!
Or the one who has asthma and 3 kids. I'll just tell her to stay home. Her kids don't need to eat. I'm sure they'll be OK.
Or my 80 year old dad who had a stroke last year and needs carers every day or three to do things like laundry or dishes or cooking and can't drive or get prescriptions delivered. Just see nobody! It'll be fine!

Now if all these people were getting paid to stay home that'd be *totally fine*. We could have a lil bubble and only one or two people could see my dad and get groceries delivered and see nobody else and it could be made to work. But they aint.

And the funny thing is - your freedom ends where my life starts. It's not very free if I have to be scared of permanent lung damage every time I go out - then it's only free for SOME people.
In 1918 people without masks were arrested. Not fined, not politely asked to leave a store, or gently escorted out... How many times has my generation been told we're fragile babies? Those *same people* are now sobbing in the streets about being nicely asked to put a wee scrap of fabric across their nose and mouth for 30 minutes. I'm quite sick of it.

And 1918 sets a VERY clear legal precedent; no matter how much people cry foul we *DO* have the right to stop people from being jerks about it.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/health/story/2020-08-15/1918-flu-mask-tickets
"And so it went, all morning long, a litany of excuses from dozens of men and women, the newspaper reported. Some said they couldn’t breathe with masks on. Some said they’d lost their masks, or couldn’t find any to buy.
Most got the same verdict: Guilty, and a $5 fine, which was a fair amount of money back then, the equivalent of $84 today. By way of comparison, the Evening Tribune cost two cents.
Within days, the newspapers reported, very few people were seen in public who weren’t wearing masks."

Enforced mask mandates make a nice big difference and we have a legal and historical national precedent to have them enforced. It's not unconstitutional or illegal or morally wrong. We've tried the nice polite way, the middle ground way, for an AWFUL lot of months now and cases keep going up. I'm about as anti-authoritarian anti-arrest as they come, but I'd be THRILLED to see our mandates enforced instead of NOT.

 

[ChocolateMouse]

Like, ya'll, people with compromised immune systems will stay home when you start paying our bills so we can, OK?
Anyone who wanna claim it's OK for folks to go out or not wear masks? I'll PM you my Venmo. Seriously - put your money where your mouth is.

Until then, no, you don't have the freedom to kill other people. And no, not all ideas are equal and some should ABSOLUTELY be shut down. The marketplace of ideas means some ideas drop to the rubbish heap right where they belong, and rot there forever, deservedly.

 

[roosterhavoc]

Aye, that works real well. G has COVID because he went to work every day - what's he supposed to do now that someone decided they were gonna get groceries from his workplace while being a carrier, probably without a mask or with it down from their nose?
A huge number of his coworkers are in their 50's too, should they just stay home? I'm SURE their pensions will cover it.
I have a history of pneumonia with no desire for MORE chronic lung issues and *haven't even gone out*, what am I supposed to do about that?
Or my sister in her 30's with no immune system who has a mortgage and bills. Hey sister! It's ok just stay home! Let your house foreclose, it's FINE!
Or the one who has asthma and 3 kids. I'll just tell her to stay home. Her kids don't need to eat. I'm sure they'll be OK.
Or my 80 year old dad who had a stroke last year and needs carers every day or three to do things like laundry or dishes or cooking and can't drive or get prescriptions delivered. Just see nobody! It'll be fine!

Now if all these people were getting paid to stay home that'd be *totally fine*. We could have a lil bubble and only one or two people could see my dad and get groceries delivered and see nobody else and it could be made to work. But they aint.

And the funny thing is - your freedom ends where my life starts. It's not very free if I have to be scared of permanent lung damage every time I go out - then it's only free for SOME people.
In 1918 people without masks were arrested. Not fined, not politely asked to leave a store, or gently escorted out... How many times has my generation been told we're fragile babies? Those *same people* are now sobbing in the streets about being nicely asked to put a wee scrap of fabric across their nose and mouth for 30 minutes. I'm quite sick of it.

And 1918 sets a VERY clear legal precedent; no matter how much people cry foul we *DO* have the right to stop people from being jerks about it.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/health/story/2020-08-15/1918-flu-mask-tickets
"And so it went, all morning long, a litany of excuses from dozens of men and women, the newspaper reported. Some said they couldn’t breathe with masks on. Some said they’d lost their masks, or couldn’t find any to buy.
Most got the same verdict: Guilty, and a $5 fine, which was a fair amount of money back then, the equivalent of $84 today. By way of comparison, the Evening Tribune cost two cents.
Within days, the newspapers reported, very few people were seen in public who weren’t wearing masks."

Enforced mask mandates make a nice big difference and we have a legal and historical national precedent to have them enforced. It's not unconstitutional or illegal or morally wrong. We've tried the nice polite way, the middle ground way, for an AWFUL lot of months now and cases keep going up. I'm about as anti-authoritarian anti-arrest as they come, but I'd be THRILLED to see our mandates enforced instead of NOT.

You’re not the only one with family with health issues. I have two disabled older brothers that were born premature. I’m responsible for both of them. One brother has high blood pressure, kidney problems and diabetes. You know what I did? I kept him home from work where he worked at a grocery store. I have been helping pay for everything because it’s my decision to keep him safe. I have no authority and neither do you to mandate anything. You may not agree but mandates like you’re talking about aren’t legal and they’re not going to happen.

 

[Baconeggsplease]

I wish the mask nonsense would stop. They do NOT stop the spread!

 

[roosterhavoc]

What about the guy in his 40s that’s worked his whole life to open a restaurant? Now he could lose the whole thing and go into debt because of some closure that hasn’t been proven to do anything.
Now if nobody went by their own decision and the business failed as much as it sucks so be it. The same applies to businesses across the board. You don’t want to patronize them don’t but don’t try to stop everyone else because you don’t like it.