Coronavirus, Covid 19 Discussion and How It Has Affected Your Daily Life Chat Thread

[Sapphire Sebright]

See, this is where the true disagreement lies. Because I do not feel anyone should be gathering. But, it is not up to me to tell you whether you can put yourself and others into danger. However, I do hope that if they choose to do so, they do so with an informed understanding backed by research of actual scientific studies, and not just reading crap that reinforces their incorrect belief of something.

I mean, if staying six feet apart will keep people safe, then why can't we gather more than 50 people if they're all staying six feet apart and wearing masks? There are certainly places big enough for that to be done while still staying six feet apart -- or even seven or eight.
I don't want to put anyone in danger. But I do like attending mass. All the other people there know the risk and are willing to take it, and so am I -- they aren't forced to be there, but they can be forced to not be there.

 

[EmtheFishLady]

You just admitted you shouldn’t be telling anyone what to do. That was my only complaint people just continue to push their beliefs on others.

I have never said I should tell anyone what to do, and I have never told you what you should be doing. I simply have corrected you on the misguided information you have been touting as factual. There are laws and morals in place to tell people what they should be doing. The laws are for the people who lack a moral compass.

 

[roosterhavoc]

How do you think those businesses would be doing if the pandemic went unchecked? Have you ever studied the plagues in history?

This isn’t the plague. Have you checked the stats on suicides lately? You may be ok money wise but many aren’t and have no one to help when it all comes crashing down because of closures.
You’re now gonna go down the rabbit hole of hypotheticals? You have no idea what would have happened. I can tell you the cases are continuing to rise even after the closures and the implementation of masks and reduced occupancy which resulted in people ending up bankrupt.

 

[Sapphire Sebright]

There are laws and morals in place to tell people what they should be doing. The laws are for the people who lack a moral compass.

But... not everyone has the same morals. There are definitely things that are just plain wrong, but even for those seemingly obvious things, there are rule-breakers. There are lots of things and lots of laws that I don't agree with, but they're in place.
Opinions, opinions... yikes. Dangerous things to be sharing, and I have to wonder why I'm even still on this thread, sharing my own....

 

[EmtheFishLady]

I mean, if staying six feet apart will keep people safe, then why can't we gather more than 50 people if they're all staying six feet apart and wearing masks? There are certainly places big enough for that to be done while still staying six feet apart -- or even seven or eight.
I don't want to put anyone in danger. But I do like attending mass. All the other people there know the risk and are willing to take it, and so am I -- they aren't forced to be there, but they can be forced to not be there.

Because staying six feet apart by itself is not going to stop all transmission. Nobody has ever claimed it would.

The issue is, that while you are willing to take the risk, and the other people are as well, the people that you may inadvertently come into contact with later no longer have the option should you infect them. Does that make more sense? So, you go to mass, and come into contact with someone who is infected. You, while feeling fine, go home and infect your family. Your family, while feeling fine, then go about their necessary day to day activities. One of those we will assume is the grocery store, where they infect a clerk, who then infects their family that despite precautions taken, become infected. They then pass this to an immune-compromised individual. Do you understand?

 

[roosterhavoc]

I have never said I should tell anyone what to do, and I have never told you what you should be doing. I simply have corrected you on the misguided information you have been touting as factual. There are laws and morals in place to tell people what they should be doing. The laws are for the people who lack a moral compass.

What new laws should be passed then?
You’re getting back into opinions again. Morality is personal thing. You shouldn’t judge anyone.
You showed up today my posts from yesterday stated my problem was people who are vulnerable, elderly or otherwise at risk shouldn’t be telling other people what to do. That responsibility lies with themselves

 

[EmtheFishLady]

This isn’t the plague. Have you checked the stats on suicides lately? You may be ok money wise but many aren’t and have no one to help when it all comes crashing down because of closures.
You’re now gonna go down the rabbit hole of hypotheticals? You have no idea what would have happened. I can tell you the cases are continuing to rise even after the closures and the implementation of masks and reduced occupancy which resulted in people ending up bankrupt.

Actually, no, we aren't financially ok and we do not have anyone to help when "It all comes crashing down" either. However, given the alternative, this is the better option.

 

[deidreg]

Hello again, BYC friends. (Particularly those in the US.) I'll lay my cards on the table. I'm a 51 year old, mixed race woman who is a bleeding heart liberal. It's pretty to think we we could all join hands (metaphorically, of course) and get along, but I know that won't happen. I live in a liberal bubble where most people I know think much like me. That's why I find this thread both distressing and fascinating.

The United States and our Constitution were created with fundamental tensions purposely baked in. Three co-equal branches of government. States rights vs. Federal rights. Freedom of speech. (Which is getting a robust workout here!) Plus a myth and tradition of the individual who pulls themselves up by their own boot straps. I mention this history because these tensions are always in play, pulling and twisting our nation. It's a tough, messy system, but it's still holding holding together because we believe in it. We. Together.

We also have a tradition of putting aside differences and pulling together in a crisis. Wild fires, hurricanes, 9/11...This pandemic is a crisis unlike our nation AND the world have seen in a century. And there are countless examples of people coming together to help one another.

But the challenges of a pandemic are different. We can't see this enemy, only the effects after it has attacked. Public health experts know a lot about how to slow down the spread of a virus, but this coronavirus is unlike any other to infect the human race. Many people followed all the rules and still got infected; but many more have stayed healthy.

The basic "rules" to minimize spread are the same as we've been taught since kindergarten: cover your cough, wash your hands, stay home if you're sick. But when the whole planet is involved, it gets a hell of a lot more complicated.

We're tired. We're frightened. Some of us are infected, have loved ones infected, have loved ones who have died. We're not all going to agree, but my one wish is that we respect one another as fellow human beings facing a crisis together. We know how to do this. We've done it before.

Be well.

 

[roosterhavoc]

Actually, no, we aren't financially ok and we do not have anyone to help when "It all comes crashing down" either. However, given the alternative, this is the better option.

With the current death rate the decision to take the risks with working and coming into contact with people outweigh the risk of going bankrupt and losing everything they’ve worked their lives for.

 

[EmtheFishLady]

That responsibility lies with themselves

With something like this, the responsibility becomes a shared one.