Coronavirus, Covid 19 Discussion and How It Has Affected Your Daily Life Chat Thread

[h2oratt]

Most of these people did not know they were pregnant or became pregnant after their first shot and continued in the trial anyhow with full disclosure.




I would be finding the studies through news, or searches. Some would be brought to my attention by the people I know in healthcare.

For example, as it stands I've dug into ivermectin a fair amount and there's a study on in-vitro cells that looks shady, and a few studies that show reduced illness severity in combination with other common drugs. There's a few that show that with other treatments it lowers case rates. But those are largely in combination with another drug.

So, while I think it's got a lot going on for it I also think it needs a couple proper stand alone double blind studies. Then we'll have definitive results that can be acted upon. I think if people wanna include it in their prevention plans that's totally fine. I think it might even be good based on preliminary results. I also think that until we have definitive results it's important to keep masking, and even then not everyone can be on it, and keeping the majority of the population on an essential agricultural drug isn't great... so we'll still need things like the vaccine even it it pans out to the most optimistic of studies.

Once we have enough tools in the toolbox that pretty much everyone CAN be covered if they wanna I expect things to go back to relative normality... With the exception of all the people who already have permanent damage from the virus that we could be dealing with. :T

Would you get a vaccine if you knew you were pregnant?

 

[IamRainey]

Would you get a vaccine if you knew you were pregnant?

A friend's d-i-l just did. My friend said her d-i-l did her research, told the vaccinator that she was preggie and got the shot. There are doctors on both sides of the d-i-l's family.

Not sure what I would have done in her place but she felt confident about it and wanted that level of protection.

 

[ChocolateMouse]

Would you get a vaccine if you knew you were pregnant?

Hmm. How do I put this.
I'm aggressively self anti-natalist and therefore the wrong person to ask.

But, you're asking so I'll try to answer. If I had to try to put myself in those shoes, with the presumption it's a wanted pregnancy, I would seriously consider the risks. Old vaccines are well proven within pregnancy so if my doctor said I should get one for a common condition I probably would.
For the new vaccine I would have to weigh the risk. The research says there's a serious increased risk for major covid-based complications (both with being more likely to have severe long term symptoms, and for the baby to be born premature and have a higher mortality rate). Weighing that against the fact that the pfeizer vaccine is under-studied in pregnant women it would depend a lot on my COVID risk factors.
Like if I were working a public facing job like a grocery, the same one G got sick at, the answer would be yes. If I were in a position where everyone worked from home and my only exposure factor was a 30 minute grocery trip once per week, I would probably wait for more information to be released before making a decision.

But, again, I'm not a mom. I've never wanted and will never want to be a mom. So I may not be a good person to ask because I'm not going to have any emotional stakes in this. I like to think I would be weighing raw numbers in my mind but the reality may be different.

 

[h2oratt]

A friend's d-i-l just did. My friend said her d-i-l did her research, told the vaccinator that she was preggie and got the shot. There are doctors on both sides of the d-i-l's family.

Not sure what I would have done in her place but she felt confident about it and wanted that level of protection.

Sure seems strange that we are told to never vaccinate a pregnant dog. They gave my Dd a flu shot when she was pregnant. I am a big believer in less is more. Don’t mess with Mother Nature.

 

[h2oratt]

Hmm. How do I put this.
I'm aggressively self anti-natalist and therefore the wrong person to ask.

But, you're asking so I'll try to answer. If I had to try to put myself in those shoes, with the presumption it's a wanted pregnancy, I would seriously consider the risks. Old vaccines are well proven within pregnancy so if my doctor said I should get one for a common condition I probably would.
For the new vaccine I would have to weigh the risk. The research says there's a serious increased risk for major covid-based complications (both with being more likely to have severe long term symptoms, and for the baby to be born premature and have a higher mortality rate). Weighing that against the fact that the pfeizer vaccine is under-studied in pregnant women it would depend a lot on my COVID risk factors.
Like if I were working a public facing job like a grocery, the same one G got sick at, the answer would be yes. If I were in a position where everyone worked from home and my only exposure factor was a 30 minute grocery trip once per week, I would probably wait for more information to be released before making a decision.

But, again, I'm not a mom. I've never wanted and will never want to be a mom. So I may not be a good person to ask because I'm not going to have any emotional stakes in this. I like to think I would be weighing raw numbers in my mind but the reality may be different.

Never heard that term before, antinatalist.

 

[ChocolateMouse]

Sure seems strange that we are told to never vaccinate a pregnant dog. They gave my Dd a flu shot when she was pregnant. I am a big believer in less is more. Don’t mess with Mother Nature.

That's because they're usually semi-live or live vaccines. Killed vaccines are considered safe enough if the situation is high risk, especially in the second half of the pregnancy. First trimester has the greatest chance for things to go wrong. So like if you live in an area with a lot of rabies, you can get the rabies vaccine for your dog in the second half of pregnancy. Better vaccinated than rabid. but we don't really live in the environment in the USA.

Never heard that term before, antinatalist.

It's a very specific idea popularized by a philosopher named Schopenhauer. It's the idea that the world is a terrible place, so terrible that we ought not bring new babies into it under any circumstances, because life produces more suffering than death but we also feel a compulsion to live.
For me it comes the closest for my personal philosophy to "would I ever give birth". The answer is no because MY life is a struggle and adding more of me into the world would probably not benefit anyone in my life, least of all the kid. I have no interest in passing down my generational trauma, that would not be worth it to me.
It's worth noting, this is just for me. I have a lot of nieces and nephews and while I'm kinda meh on them and wish their parents adopted or something it's not really my choice and it's not about me at that point so I just roll with it. Their parents lives are objectively easier than mine in some specific ways so it probably works for them in a way it never would for me.
But I will forever do everything in my power to stay as barren as possible as to not inflict everything I deal with onto some poor kid. (Also kids smell bad. )

 

[IamRainey]

Sure seems strange that we are told to never vaccinate a pregnant dog. They gave my Dd a flu shot when she was pregnant. I am a big believer in less is more. Don’t mess with Mother Nature.

I respect that just like I respect the right of the pregnant woman to make her own choice.

The thing is these Covid vaccines -- at least the Moderna and Pfizer versions currently available -- are new messenger RNA technology that don't involve any live or dead version of the virus itself. The mRNA technology merely "teaches" a body's immune system what the virus would be like and triggers it to develop its own immune response.

Not sure any conventional vaccine that wouldn't be administered to a pregnant dog would operate in the same way and I'm certainly utterly unqualified to speculate. Likewise, I'm not sure how mRNA could complicate a pregnancy. What I am is grateful not to need to make this choice. But a high fever during pregnancy is always risky and the kind of vascular trauma that can trigger heart attacks and strokes in young Covid victims is certainly something to avoid.

Again, my heart really goes out to young women facing these issues in this critical time.

 

[ChocolateMouse]

Oh, it's worth noting, Schopenhauer was a huge jerk who pushed an old lady down the stairs while living with his mom and hated his mom while she was paying the bills. It might be wise to NOT listen to anything he said. >_>;

 

[cheepteach]

I would never get vaccinated if I was pregnant.

DD is nursing and won't get vaccine. Ditto for granddaughter as facts are not in for kids under 16

 

[EmmaDonovan]

Never heard that term before, antinatalist.

You must not spend much time on Reddit, LOL.