Coronavirus, Covid 19 Discussion and How It Has Affected Your Daily Life Chat Thread

[fuzzi]

I don't know. I am curious about that too and will ask. But I will wait until it is a natural part of conversation with him or my son's fiance (to ask if she will ask him). That may take years. I stayed at his house last month because they live very far away. I doubt it will come up at the wedding so I probably won't see him or talk to him until we have mutual grandkids. My son and his fiance live only a couple of hundred miles away and I will, of course, see them much more often. And talk to them more than that. But not so much that I'm willing to go into covid that far until a conversation goes there. We've all pretty much exhausted tolerance of the topic.

After four years of letting people know about my personal experiences with injuries I'm burned out on the subject as well. I've been banned from social media just for posting links to medical articles, not even political stuff, so I don't do that anymore. If people want the truth they can find it.

 

[Molpet]

After four years of letting people know about my personal experiences with injuries I'm burned out on the subject as well. I've been banned from social media just for posting links to medical articles, not even political stuff, so I don't do that anymore. If people want the truth they can find it.

 

[BDutch]

I did a search of the picture and couldn't find the original article.
I found FB pictures with the same conclusion.
I found another site that pointed out issues with the research. But it wasn't the article so we could make an informed decision.
https://www.threads.com/@marc_veld/...tationshlenusermr0fg0oaaaajview_oplist_workss
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Thanks for the search.

Such a pity facebook and other social media don’t delete false posts.

 

[sourland]

Such a pity facebook and other social media don’t delete false posts.

Without false posts, there would be little to read.

 

[007Sean]

If you take K with the D it helps boost your D levels, ask your physician. My D has been low for years, despite a 50k D supplement. I read about K boosting absorption of D, started taking it. In about 2 weeks my D level went from 15 to 39!

What Vitamin K2 and D3 together do is, remove the calcium from your blood and transports it back in your bones. You need to take high doses of D3 for maximum effect 10,000 to 20,000 IU's.

After my heart attack, I take K2 and D3 (10,000 IU) to keep calcium from building up along with the plauge in my arteries.

 

[Pasha838]

I spent a couple of days with a doctor last month at his house (he is my almost-daughter-in-law's father.) He is the doctor at a very large prison as he has been for many years. I can't remember if he is the only doctor there or the head doctor but one of the two.

Covid came up. He said nearly everyone at his prison got covid but only a single one died. That person came in with full blown covid.

He said the numbers of cases and of deaths were reported. And reported as coming from a prison - with the typical prison environment and the typical (notably very poor) health of the inmates. The numbers were available to the media as well as other people with influence.

He said if anyone with influence had been serious about treating covid effectively, they would have asked him what he was doing.

What he did was give everyone vitamin D. He checked their levels but virtually everyone was very deficient.

As far as I know from the basics of poultry farming, vitamin D in both chickens and humans is produced by the body in sunlight. Moreover, if you read about chickens - in order for the vitamin to be produced, they need open sun, not through glass.
Further, if chickens do not walk in the sun, and (especially) in winter in regions where the day is short and the night is long, a serious deficiency of this vitamin occurs in the body, which leads to general weakness and the inability to absorb calcium from food. In chickens, this can even lead to the fact that they will lay eggs either with a very thin and soft shell, or without a shell at all.
Therefore, both chickens and people in this case are either given vitamins, or actively introduce foods containing vitamin D into the diet. A list of such products can be found on the Internet. From memory, I can name red caviar, milk, butter, celery, parsley, nettle grass, fish, shrimp, mushrooms, meat, fish oil. There is a suspicion that prisoners, sitting in prison - cannot fully and a lot of walks on the streets in the sun, which leads to a deficiency of this vitamin. If we talk about pregnant women - then they are developing a child, this requires a lot of substances and this vitamin, respectively, too. Therefore, if food and sunny walks are not enough, it makes sense to buy this vitamin at the pharmacy.
But as for the impact of covid itself on metabolic processes in the body and vitamins - I can't say anything about that, I simply don't know. I don't have a medical education or experience.
I can only assume one thing - Covid patients probably don't have the strength to walk, lie in bed all day without getting open sunlight - and this leads to vitamin D deficiency.

 

[007Sean]

To be honest, I personally tend to disagree with this theory, although perhaps my opinion is biased and based on a different cultural and historical tradition.
This will be a bit of a long story, possibly full of off-topic, but without these details I probably won't be able to explain my position.
I will try not to write too much unnecessary, so as not to bore the audience with boring details. I will only voice the main points.
1. Personally, I am Russian by nationality and was born in Russia. In this country, until 1861, there was so-called serfdom. This is approximately the same as slavery, with the sale of people, but with some differences - a serf, unlike a simple slave, could not be killed (the owner could easily go to prison or hard labor for this, with the deprivation of class privileges), well, and serfs usually lived in separate small houses with land, and not in common barracks.
2. Then after some time, communism took place, with the subsequent cold war and the closing of borders. A citizen of the USSR had no right to leave his country without special permission, even if he had money. At all.

As a result of such a "slave-owning" past, or due to some other factors, a strong conviction has emerged (among people, the state, society) that any person is always a resource. The same as minerals, money, goods, etc. And losing people is extremely economically unprofitable, even if we cynically forget about all human rights.

Accordingly, it is extremely difficult for me personally to understand that someone would value human life, existing or potential, lower than the purchase price of any, even the most expensive medicine. I am now relying on money and economics, deliberately ignoring any values of modern civilizations (like human rights). I am strictly translating everything into money.
Because:
1. A person, even from the poorest classes, will still pay more taxes in his life than the cost of the most expensive medicine.
2. A person will acquire a huge number of goods in his life, even if he is poor - even the cheapest and worst food and clothing.

Therefore, it is extremely difficult for me personally to believe that this situation with possible infertility was created intentionally. I can fully admit that this is the result of incompetence and the lack of possible years of testing, but not intent. Well, what is the point of "killing" potential clients and taxpayers? It is absolutely unprofitable, even if people are not considered people at all and their lives are not valued at all.

I don't know. Maybe I'm thinking like some kind of cynical slave owner, but it seems to me that even a free, absolutely independent citizen is still some kind of profit, at least hypothetically, but when there are no people - well, it's like settling alone on the famous space asteroid "Psyche", which, according to rumors, consists almost entirely of gold and platinum, the one who settles on it will clearly be the richest person in the world - but what good will it do if there is simply nothing to spend these funds on outside of human society. All that's left is to just sit on this gold, and... starve.

That's my personal opinion. Although yes, I am not at all saying that we should not think with our heads at all and blindly trust any pharmaceutical corporations. They are also no more than people, and can easily make mistakes, as in the above-described case.

They have always tried to eliminate us!, beginning with Columbus. We were 'savages', some even thought we were the 'devils children'! A popular saying of the day, "kill the Indian, save the man"....but it really only translated to "kill the Indian".
It was the 'Indian problem', what to do with the Indian situation.
Reservations, boarding schools, relocation, urbanization, assimilation....all was thrust upon native peoples and when this didn't work they started sterilization and genocide of the people.

This is the sad truth, the government doesn't want the citizens to know. We as Indian peoples, are the only race that have to prove our 'Indianess' by a blood quantum, must have a 'Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood', ID card! This is like what is done with pure bred dogs, cats, and other animals. We weren't even considered 'citizens' until the mid 1900's.

They, 'the government', have tried everything to eliminate us as a people, our culture, our languages, our religious ceremonies but we are still here!!! They can not break our spirit, they have never understood this concept.
This happened to every single tribe in the U.S.
Here's a small video of what the Cheyenne Nation endured but alot of other tribes suffered the same or worse treatment from the government and from citizens as well.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=546429811620885

 

[NorthwoodsChick]

What Vitamin K2 and D3 together do is, remove the calcium from your blood and transports it back in your bones. You need to take high doses of D3 for maximum effect 10,000 to 20,000 IU's.

After my heart attack, I take K2 and D3 (10,000 IU) to keep calcium from building up along with the plauge in my arteries.

Cardiology NP here… Please be careful. Vitamin D does NOT remove calcium from your blood- it does the opposite. When taken in excess for long periods of time one can cause serious health problems due to toxicity that leads to high blood levels of calcium (hypercalcemia). Cardiac wise high levels of calcium will raise your heart rate (HR). If you take a beta blocker after a heart attack which you should be taking (metoprolol being most common) you run a risk of having high HR that will stress your heart.
Vitamin K is essential for normal clotting of blood. If you have a heart issue and have stents, please be very careful.

 

[Ninjasquirrel]

As far as I know from the basics of poultry farming, vitamin D in both chickens and humans is produced by the body in sunlight. Moreover, if you read about chickens - in order for the vitamin to be produced, they need open sun, not through glass.
Further, if chickens do not walk in the sun, and (especially) in winter in regions where the day is short and the night is long, a serious deficiency of this vitamin occurs in the body, which leads to general weakness and the inability to absorb calcium from food. In chickens, this can even lead to the fact that they will lay eggs either with a very thin and soft shell, or without a shell at all.
Therefore, both chickens and people in this case are either given vitamins, or actively introduce foods containing vitamin D into the diet. A list of such products can be found on the Internet. From memory, I can name red caviar, milk, butter, celery, parsley, nettle grass, fish, shrimp, mushrooms, meat, fish oil. There is a suspicion that prisoners, sitting in prison - cannot fully and a lot of walks on the streets in the sun, which leads to a deficiency of this vitamin. If we talk about pregnant women - then they are developing a child, this requires a lot of substances and this vitamin, respectively, too. Therefore, if food and sunny walks are not enough, it makes sense to buy this vitamin at the pharmacy.
But as for the impact of covid itself on metabolic processes in the body and vitamins - I can't say anything about that, I simply don't know. I don't have a medical education or experience.
I can only assume one thing - Covid patients probably don't have the strength to walk, lie in bed all day without getting open sunlight - and this leads to vitamin D deficiency.

Some people also lack the ability to absorb vitamin d from food and/or sunlight creating a deficiency. Also it's hard to absorb as much vitamin d in overcast climates

 

[007Sean]

Cardiology NP here… Please be careful. Vitamin D does NOT remove calcium from your blood- it does the opposite. When taken in excess for long periods of time one can cause serious health problems due to toxicity that leads to high blood levels of calcium (hypercalcemia). Cardiac wise high levels of calcium will raise your heart rate (HR). If you take a beta blocker after a heart attack which you should be taking (metoprolol being most common) you run a risk of having high HR that will stress your heart.
Vitamin K is essential for normal clotting of blood. If you have a heart issue and have stents, please be very careful.

Yes, I know that D3 is toxic at high levels and metoprolol and lisinopril are now known to cause more harm than good, yet cardiologist still prescribe it....why? follow the money....big pharma is pushing all the drugs. They don't want to cure but keep you sick, treat the symptoms, makes them rich and your health doesn't mean a damn thing to them.
I quit seeing my cardiologist after he prescribed them to me....my BP was 124/80 when in his office, he prescribed both and I did research on it before I decided it wasn't what I needed, it has since returned and stays between 115/70 and 124/80. I now see another that doesn't believe in pushing pills.

Shortly after prescribing metropolol and lisinopril, I had a major drop in BP 90/60, had I been on those drugs at that time I wouldn't be typing this now!
BTW, K1 is what helps in blood clotting.

It's kinda like on this site everyone comes here looking for a solution for their issues they are having with their poultry.....research, research, and then research again, just because something works for you doesn't mean it will cover all issues. Same is true of doctors...some good, some not so much. Some may have academic training but not enough real world experience.
I have found out that most just follow whatever the agenda of the AMA or the AHA, which, both are 'in bed' with big pharma!

ETA -- My heart attack was due to diet...too much sugar and carb's. Very high triglycerides.