Cream Legbar Hybrid Thread

[HaplessRunner]

Some new CL Hybrids.

Over the weekend, I had eleven chicks hatch. Three cream legbars with normal colors (1 cockerel and 2 pullets), two white-sport cream legbars (1 cockerel and 1 pullet), one cream legbar X buff orpington cross, and two that I believe are SFHbut may be crosses.

CLBxBO Cross



In this picture you can see what appears to be chipmunk stripping going down the back. Not certain that a head spot can be seen.



And very definite barring on the wing feathers.



The two potential SFH or crosses follow:

The "Black" Chick

The first on has basically a black body with a brown head and a white spot on the back of the head. Cream legbars males have a white spot on the back of the head so this might also be a jump the fence. I am hoping for SFH.





The "Light" Chick



In this picture, you can clearly see the chipmunk striping going down the back. I cannot say that I have seen SFH chicks with this pattern before. The same also applies to the dark patch on the back of the head.






Your thoughts and comments are appreciated!

 

[JDXX]

Silver Sussex are ER Birchen at the e locus, a cross between CCL x Silver Sussex would have yielded All black chicks with a headspots..

Silver Sussex


Chicks


Now if the SS he is Not pure and maybe she was cross with Light Sussex I would agree that the chicks would be e+/eWh where the e+ comes from the CL male and eWh(wheaten) comes from the Light sussex side of Silver Sussex mother, the Mother would have to be ER/eWh instead of pure ER/ER... but thats the ONLY way as if the hen is PURE then she is not the mother and you would have to investigate what other pullets or hens could be the possible mother... she would have to be Silver as I see the clearly Sex linked nature of such cross(gold females and Silver males)

Ok lets sort this out. My Silver Sussex hen came to me from Sunbird Farms. They got them from Greenfire Farms, whatever that is worth. Anyway when I recieved my hen she was fertile and laying (she laid two eggs in the box. I put her in with my oldest Cream Legbar trio. Mind you she was the only hen laying in that pen for a while. Even when the CCL hens started laying there is no chance of mixing up those eggs eh. So we set all of her eggs for about a month (we have two incubators and do staggered hatches) I have my hatch calender in front of me now. First hatch we got 2 pure Silver Sussex. Second hatch we got 1 Silver Sussex and 1 white CCL X SS. Third hatch we got 1 black chick and 1 white and 1 red CCL X SS. Fourth hatch we got 2 black chicks and 3 red CCL X SS. That is where we stand right now. We have two more hatches coming so we will keep recording the results. Now I am sure the first hatch are pure. The second hatch pretty sure too. Now that I pulled them all out separately I see some differences in the black chicks from hatch three and four. The black chicks from hatches 3 and 4 have white head spots and the hatch 3 black chick seems to show some white barring rather than the lacing on the pure Silver Sussex chicks. I also received four pure Silver Sussex chicks from Sunbird Farms (no pics at this time) that are older that we have watched grow out from about 5 weeks or so old. So we have a decent reference for the chicks.

Hatch # 1




Hatch # 2




Hatch # 3





Hatch # 4


So I am trying to learn but still have a long way to go with understanding all the genetics (like really long way) Maybe somebody can explain what is happening here. Sure seems like the whte and red chicks are sex linked, but where do the black chicks fit in if they are no longer purebreds (pretty sure now that hatches 3 and 4 are not pure Silver Sussex.

 

[HaplessRunner]

Ok lets sort this out. My Silver Sussex hen came to me from Sunbird Farms. They got them from Greenfire Farms, whatever that is worth. Anyway when I recieved my hen she was fertile and laying (she laid two eggs in the box. I put her in with my oldest Cream Legbar trio. Mind you she was the only hen laying in that pen for a while. Even when the CCL hens started laying there is no chance of mixing up those eggs eh. So we set all of her eggs for about a month (we have two incubators and do staggered hatches) I have my hatch calender in front of me now. First hatch we got 2 pure Silver Sussex. Second hatch we got 1 Silver Sussex and 1 white CCL X SS. Third hatch we got 1 black chick and 1 white and 1 red CCL X SS. Fourth hatch we got 2 black chicks and 3 red CCL X SS. That is where we stand right now. We have two more hatches coming so we will keep recording the results. Now I am sure the first hatch are pure. The second hatch pretty sure too. Now that I pulled them all out separately I see some differences in the black chicks from hatch three and four. The black chicks from hatches 3 and 4 have white head spots and the hatch 3 black chick seems to show some white barring rather than the lacing on the pure Silver Sussex chicks. I also received four pure Silver Sussex chicks from Sunbird Farms (no pics at this time) that are older that we have watched grow out from about 5 weeks or so old. So we have a decent reference for the chicks.

Hatch # 1




Hatch # 2




Hatch # 3





Hatch # 4


So I am trying to learn but still have a long way to go with understanding all the genetics (like really long way) Maybe somebody can explain what is happening here. Sure seems like the whte and red chicks are sex linked, but where do the black chicks fit in if they are no longer purebreds (pretty sure now that hatches 3 and 4 are not pure Silver Sussex.

Some of this may be a matter of timing. The roosters sperm can be stored and remain viable in a hen for up to 3-4 weeks. So there is a chance that you were still getting pure Silver Sussex even that far into production and exposure to the cream legbar rooster.

 

[ronott1]

Some of this may be a matter of timing. The roosters sperm can be stored and remain viable in a hen for up to 3-4 weeks. So there is a chance that you were still getting pure Silver Sussex even that far into production and exposure to the cream legbar rooster.

Thank you for saying this. There is a belief out there that new will remove old from the hen. Do not believe it!

 

[JDXX]

Thank you for saying this. There is a belief out there that new will remove old from the hen. Do not believe it!

No, I totally hope they are pure (the black ones) and I have read repeatedly that fertility can last weeks and longer. I am just trying to figure out if the red and white ones are really sex linked.Though apon closer inspection today I do wonder about the three black chicks with the white spots on thier heads.

Look at this one from hatch # 3 kind of looks like baring on the wing feathers.


Compared to this (hatch #1) which is what all the other Silver Sussex (pure) look like.


even this one from hatch #2 looks like it will have the lacing


Thank you for all the replies everyone. Learning all of this is fun (can be confusing and difficult) but fun.

 

[insanity]

Just following

 

[HaplessRunner]

I also had three CLBxEE chicks hatch. The color tones on these three are definitely brown in the non-black areas unlike earlier hatches. Because of this color tone difference, I am hoping for pullets.



Here are some pictures of earlier CLBxEE hatches:

In the first two pictures, the middle chick is a cream legbar pullet. The CLBxEE chicks are on both sides of her. As you will note there is a decidedly grey tone in the no-black areas. All of these CLBxEE chicks grew into cockerels.



The grown version of the CLBxEE cockerels from above:



And the parents of these birds:

 

[HaplessRunner]

The "Black" Chick

The first on has basically a black body with a brown head and a white spot on the back of the head. Cream legbars males have a white spot on the back of the head so this might also be a jump the fence.





The "Light" Chick



In this picture, you can clearly see the chipmunk striping going down the back. I cannot say that I have seen SFH chicks with this pattern before. The same also applies to the dark patch on the back of the head.






Your thoughts and comments are appreciated!

Based on the barred feathers that are now growing out on the wings of both of these chicks, it looks like these chicks are CLBxBSL (black sex link) and CLBxEO (euskal oiloa - basque hen) crosses.

 

[CibolaChooks]

Would it make more sense if this roo was the father of this girl. He was in a diffrent pen but this girl just started laying and her egg is peachy. Mother was a brown egg laying barred cochin. I was positive it was my cl that bred the cochin but now im not sure. Her egg is the middle one

 

[chicken pickin]

Are you certain the egg is hers? If so I would suspect the other rooster is the culprit.