Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

[ChicKat]

Yes..send me ypur mailing info in a PM

 

[lonnyandrinda]

double dose of barring is the cause for light males, this is true for all e alleles(except for silver wheaten and none enhanced gold wheaten, there you cant tell boys from girls) if you are hatching dark female looking males one must asume that two things my be at play, single barred males or a gene that is inhibiting the double dose effect of barring, so far I have yet find such a gene on my "Deep" genetic researchs I have done on Barring and Barred fowls(autosexing including)

I'm WAY behind in this group and maybe this gets discussed later, but we are more often having the OPPOSITE problem- a chick that looks male at hatch but within a few days looks more definitely female. I have hatched one like this myself. She had OTHER problems and didn't make it but I would NOT have used her for breeding. She is the one at the bottom right, can't see her head well in this picture but the spot was about like the male top center.




ETA:
OK I'm caught up now! Wow great job everyone, LOVE all the discussion. I wish I had some adults to post pics of to contribute. Just wanted to throw out again I am keeping a list of REAL info for those who want on a prospective member list for our future as-yet-named club. PM me name, address, email, phone number, source stock and quantity if you already own CL, and your talents or skills you are willing to contribute to the efforts. My list of "interested people" is 28 people long now, but I only have info for about half of them. Your info will be kept confidential and only passed on to the club when it is finally formed.

faykokoWV, maybe you should get in touch with MnMPoultry, he has web and graphic design experience. He has volunteered to help with a website when we are ready to get one going, I think it will be a big endeavor and maybe having two people working on it might not be a bad idea? That's up to you two.

 

[babymakes6]

Is it just me?
In reading Punnett's studies, it seems our birds are closer to what he developed than the British birds are.

http://www.ias.ac.in/jarch/jgenet/41/1.pdf


He mentions the "pale gold of the hackles and the bright chestnut of the wing coverts lead to his presenting an appearance at once brilliant and quite unlike that of the male of any recognized breed."

Now compare that with this:
http://www.thepoultrygarden.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=15375

 

[rc50]

There are Gold Legbars, Silver Legbars and Cream Legbars... the Standard in England was created before Punnet even died.... i think he would have had some input into it...


Keith
SC
USA

 

[GaryDean26]

I found some clarification written by Michael Pease in an old Autosexing Breeds Association Annual from 1948.

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Hmm... he said that the stripe on the female is brown with a light head patch. It goes with out saying that the head patch on the males is well defined. That must have been oviouse to everyone in the Autosexing Breeds Association.

 

[GaryDean26]

There are Gold Legbars, Silver Legbars and Cream Legbars... the Standard in England was created before Punnet even died.... i think he would have had some input into it...


Keith
SC
USA

Yes...It was standardized in 1958 while Punnet was still the sitting president of the PCGB. It is possible that he wrote the standard himself. He lived on until 1967.

"The Legbar" paper Is specific to the Gold Legbar variety, so remember that their should be some differences to the Crested Cream Legbar in Color. More information from in in the 1951 Annual of the Autosexing Breeds Association. They should look silver in color. The silver looking birds can be test mated for cream to other breeds. A gold or silver breed can be used for the test mate since a silver birds would produce some silver off spring with a gold birds, and a Cream would produce 100% gold off spring.

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[redchicken9]

Inspiring to see these earlier writings! Think this will solidify color discussions if the aim is a cream legbar, rather than the gold and red of many of ours.

 

[nicalandia]

I found some clarification written by Michael Pease in an old Autosexing Breeds Association Annual from 1948.


Hmm... he said that the stripe on the female is brown with a light head patch. It goes with out saying that the head patch on the males is well defined. That must have been oviouse to everyone in the Autosexing Breeds Association.

this is no the issue you guys are facing, the issue is Dark female looking Males, the males should always be much lighter than hens..

 

[lonnyandrinda]

this is no the issue you guys are facing, the issue is Dark female looking Males, the males should always be much lighter than hens..

Oh I see now...

 

[nicalandia]

Oh I see now...

a clear headspot is also present on other autosexing breeds like the Crele Penedesenca(eb instead of e+) and golden/Silver cuckoo marans, whats make it so easy to distinguish between the genders is the very pale and diluted Male..