Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

[DragonOxeWeasel]

Hey guys! I am marking this thread so its easier to find!!

....and here is a pic of my 9 week old girls!

 

[ChicKat]

Gordon Ramsey touts Legbars!!

I was watching Gordon Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares last night. He was helping a restaurant in England called, "The Granary". He had them put in a hen house and poultry yard for fresh eggs for the eatery. Brought in some Legbars and stated he had some and loved them...Oh the many good eggs they laid!! Anyway, I thought that was interesting. Not sure which color of Legbar he had. But good pics Legbar folk could ID the variety if they could find the episode again. Martha Stewart may have Marans, but the greatest chef in the world ( 12 Michelin stars) has Legbars and is a big fan of the breed.
Best,
Karen
English Light Sussex in western PA, USA.

Thanks for posting Karen, How cool is that?!!!!!!!! Go Gordon.

 

[ChicKat]

Hey guys! I am marking this thread so its easier to find!!

....and here is a pic of my 9 week old girls!

Beautiful pullets!!!

 

[ChicKat]

Shape: Male



Comb: Single; large, straight and erect, deeply and evenly serrated with five to seven spikes, extending well over the back of the head, without touching the line of the head, free from side spikes or thumb-marks. A

Beak: Stout, point clear of the front of the comb, slightly curved. B [chickat] - If blue line is used, beak extends farther. Blue line is intended to be a 90-degree intersection with the white line that traverses beak and eye line. If orange line is used, then comb extends farther, orange line is more vertical with the horizon.

Face: Smooth (or finely textured, mine with small feathers)?

Eyes: Large, bright, and prominent. Round in appearance. C [chickat] Just about every cream legbar picture that I have seen has prominent bright eyes.

Wattles: Moderately long, uniform in size, well-rounded, skin soft. D

Ear-lobes: Well-developed, hanging about one third the length of the waddles wattles, pendent, smooth and free from folds, equally matched in size and shape. E [ chickat]circled in green, I think it is a fold....however slight it may be...and I think that the wattles are a bit more than a third covered by the earlobes.

Crest: Small, above the eyes and extended back towards the end of the comb. F [chickat] - does that mean ending above the eyes, as in a straight line from the eye level to the back of the head would show where the crest needs to end. That doesn't make sense..... above relative to ....what point?

Head: Medium in length, symmetrical, well balanced, and of fine quality.

Neck: Long and well covered with hackle feathers.


[chickat] Neck very long and very densely covered in feathers..... (he looks like a lion when he flares them)...
Back: Moderately broad at the shoulders, narrowing slightly toward the tail, long in length, with an even slope to the tail. Saddle feathers: Abundant, moderately long and sweeping to the tail.




Tail: Moderately full, carried at an angle of forty-five degrees above horizontal. Sickles: relatively longer than main tail, and well curved.[chickat] he has a great tail, had long streamer sickles which made him look very flashy and flamboyant...but he shed those and is in the process of growing out some more.... He does carry tail at different angles depending upon what he is doing.


Wings: Large and carried close to the body without dropping. [chickat] see tail at 45-degrees picture]

Breast: Prominent, well-developed, carried forward and upright.
[Chickat] My rooster is very upright...his breast was more prominent...maybe I need to up his rations. BTW he is weighing in at 5.25 pounds and was hatched in January.
Body and Fluff: Body moderately long, sloping to the tail, broad in front tapering slightly to the rear. Keel of good length, following the line of the back. Feathers: moderately long and close to the body. [chickat] I think that the ideal body would be longer than my guy, I did compare to a Punnett piece of art but since the stance is different it is a bit of an apples and oranges comparison. Feathering is very dense and surprisingly soft.





Legs and Toes: Legs moderately long, straight when viewed from the front. Thighs medium length. Shanks round, strong, and free from feathers. Toes: four, long, straight, and well-spread. [Chickat} I think the legs and feet, shanks and thighs are a fit to the SOP


[chickat] did a close up on the legs cropped from a picture and I think that they are strong, the right length and toes are well spread. Hard to tell when he is walking past. This is s crop from the picture above where he is with the white EE

 

[faykokoWV]

Chickat asked me to start a thread with a poll so we can vote on what to officially name this breed. If everyone is ok with that, I'll take care of it. I figure the best way to start is to have people pm me their suggestions. I'll keep the "suggestion box" open until November 1, then I'll put up the voting poll. The voting will continue for 1 month so everybody will have a chance to vote.

Does that sound ok to everyone?



EDITED TO ADD: Based on recommendations, there will be no polling

 

[GaryDean26]

Shape: Male

Great post! I know this is a lot of work. Nice job.

Also...I love the classical rooster on the left. I think that should be the model of perfection. Unfortunately I think it is a drawings, and the one on the right is more like what most of us are working with.

 

[ChicKat]

Chickat asked me to start a thread with a poll so we can vote on what to officially name this breed. If everyone is ok with that, I'll take care of it. I figure the best way to start is to have people pm me their suggestions. I'll keep the "suggestion box" open until November 1, then I'll put up the voting poll. The voting will continue for 1 month so everybody will have a chance to vote.

Does that sound ok to everyone?

Thanks faykokoWV - the results of this are going to be sooo interesting.

ETA - everyone--be thinking about a name for the future. faykokoWV - after you get it set up---Please come back here an put in a link.....

 

[ChicKat]

Great post! I know this is a lot of work. Nice job.

Also...I love the classical rooster on the left. I think that should be the model of perfection. Unfortunately I think it is a drawings, and the one on the right is more like what most of us are working with.

Thank you GaryDean26 -

Doing it helped me identify the 'faults' in my rooster.....(as I understand them)--- and the body type of the artist's drawing would probably be what we are looking for, or should I say breeding toward. It was an interesting exercise in bird examination. Thanks redchicken9 for the reminder. ;O)

ETA - GaryDean's model is what I used...

 

[redchicken9]

Chickat asked me to start a thread with a poll so we can vote on what to officially name this breed. If everyone is ok with that, I'll take care of it. I figure the best way to start is to have people pm me their suggestions. I'll keep the "suggestion box" open until November 1, then I'll put up the voting poll. The voting will continue for 1 month so everybody will have a chance to vote.

Does that sound ok to everyone?

The only thing based on what Fowlman01 indicated earlier, I think if the standard mirrors the UK standard, then the bird is the cream legbar (we don't get to name what already is). If there are differences but great similarities, it is the American cream legbar. If it's radically different then maybe we vote. I'm saying this because I'm not certain that its a matter of our creativity. Fowlman01 can you comment?

Thank you GaryDean26 -

Doing it helped me identify the 'faults' in my rooster.....(as I understand them)--- and the body type of the artist's drawing would probably be what we are looking for, or should I say breeding toward. It was an interesting exercise in bird examination. Thanks redchicken9 for the reminder. ;O)

ETA - GaryDean's model is what I used...

Thank-you many times over! We still need a few more people to do this.

 

[Laingcroft]

Sorry I haven't been active here for the past week. Craziness at work and at home we've been trying to get the winter cover crops in the ground. As soon as I catch up on all I've missed, I promise I'll reply to the PM's and add more info on club related stuff. Looks like we're getting closer to a SOP...way to go!