Cream Legbars

[duluthralphie]

You know what, I'll have to ask about that with DH. It might be doable. And with how terrible my feathered buddies are looking, they should molt by then. So many dry raggedy feathers this time of year....

I would like to give this 4 likes!! We could have a BYC table at the dinner.

 

[duluthralphie]

I will
She is definitely a crested cream legbar- this is her and her sister now
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To me there seems to be something amiss in her sister. That barring is too dark, too crisp and just does not look right for a legbar to me.

We just discussed that the other day the fast growing and lack of crispness of the legbar compared to most barred birds.

BTW that does not mean she is not a nice looking bird to me. Just too black and white with the barring.

I suspect some barred rock mixed in there.

 

[Bantambird]

I will
She is definitely a crested cream legbar- this is her and her sister now
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Just curious, is she the one with the lots of "pearly" feathers? With the

To me there seems to be something amiss in her sister. That barring is too dark, too crisp and just does not look right for a legbar to me.

We just discussed that the other day the fast growing and lack of crispness of the legbar compared to most barred birds.

BTW that does not mean she is not a nice looking bird to me. Just too black and white with the barring.

I suspect some barred rock mixed in there.

I wanted to say something too, but wasn't sure how to approach it. Also, does she have a salmon tint to her breast like her sister? Her shape is nice, her color is the brow raiser for me.
There's always the possibility of natural deviation, however...

 

[Bantambird]

I would like to give this 4 likes!! We could have a BYC table at the dinner.

You just let me know what the judge says about winter dubbing. Also, I lost toes to winter as well.... Stupid birds refused to roost properly. Eli roosted outside during -20 weather in the wind with the turkeys! Silly bird...
Winter was rough this last go round.

 

[duluthralphie]

I lost toes too but not on the legbars. Of course, I had one legbar genius that sat on the roost and froze to death. I had to peel his dead body off the roost...He would of had to move 3 ft to get inside and stay alive...

Idiot birds.

 

[JudysMuscovy]

@Bantam bird

 

[JudysMuscovy]

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This is the one I would use for breeding purposes because yes her sister does have àlot of barring

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[OneMountainAcres]

Can you guys critique my up and coming breeders for me please? They're still young but I want to hear your opinions at this stage.

Boy #1

boy #2

boy #3

girl #1
This is Shivers (Daughter named her). She has a bit more gold than I'd prefer and I like a bigger crest but she has a smaller, mostly straight comb that I desperately need to integrate. All my older hens have huge combs that twist and almost fall over. I'm hoping that pairing her with one of the above, lighter colored boys will help. She just started laying a week or 2 ago.

Girl #2

 

[duluthralphie]

Aurora to me it looks like you have a base foundation stock for the Creams and Crele both if you pair them right.


Judy were just discussing the "black" crests at the Creambar club meeting. Interesting you post one today... The discussion was what color should the crests be, Can they be too dark and so forth.

 

[Coop de Grass]

Legbars and Welbars are both autosexing, meaning they have wild-type chick down plus sexlinked barring (there are a few other genes they should NOT have to be properly autosexing, and they lack those). Because the genetics of autosexing are so specific, crossing 2 autosexing breeds will always yield autosexing chicks. I created Welbars from my Welsummers (see welbars.com for the story) and they are very strongly autosexing and produce eggs as dark as the Welsummers I created them from. By crossing them to Legbars, I get autosexing Olive Eggers. These will breed true for autosexing, but not necessarily for egg color, meaning if you cross a pair of these OE's, about 25% will lack the blue egg gene and lay brown eggs. Because of the unpredictability in the F2, I do not plan to create a true breeding line of autosexing OE's, but rather continue to use Legbar pullets in my Welbar pens to create as many OE's as I want. They also pick up significant hybrid vigor and seem to grow faster than the pure Legbars, as least from what I've seen so far. The cross would work equally well the other way (Welbar pullets) but I have more Legbars and they lay better and hatch better than the Welbar eggs. Last batch of 29 OE eggs resulted in 29 chicks, and 22 were pullets !!

"Sexlinks" are altogether different thing. There are 2 major coloring variations in sexlinks, Red and Black. What you saw in your chicks was the Red sexlink effect, even though the birds were primarily black (right? I've never done that cross). Because both parents are fully barred, there is no way to create a Black Sexlink from this cross. You can easily create Olive Egger black Sexlinks with either Cuckoo Marans or Legbar pullets, covered by the opposite egg color black cock, like this:
1. Cuckoo Marans pullets X Black Ameraucana roo
2. Legbar pullets X Black Marans roo (Copper or plain black)

In both these crosses, the male chicks will have a white head spot and barred feathers, while the female chicks will lack a headspot and feathers will be all black. If there are any I am not sure of, I wait a few days and check the tips of the developing primaries, any white tipping indicates a male.

@dheltzel since Bielefelders are also auto sexing, if you cross Bielefelder and CCL would you have an autosexing olive egger?