Cream Legbars

[chicken pickin]

I have two CCL eggs due to hatch on Sunday. Lockdown was tonight. Wish me luck! I will be getting another dozen when I see how this hatch turns out ... it is my first.

Good Luck! Hope you have a good hatch. Be sure to post pics.

 

[DoubleMM]

I have two CCL eggs due to hatch on Sunday. Lockdown was tonight. Wish me luck! I will be getting another dozen when I see how this hatch turns out ... it is my first.

I see legbars in your future...

 

[ChicKat]

I say yes. Now go check the wings.

Ahhh yes Puhi--- you are so astute.

Here is from the Draft SOP from the CL Club's website:

COLOR -- FEMALE

Comb, Face, and Wattles: Bright red.
Beak: Yellow.
Eyes: Reddish bay.
Ear-lobes: Enamel white.
Head: Plumage, cream and gray.
Crest: Cream and gray, some chestnut permissible.
Neck: Hackle—cream, softly barred gray.
Front of neck—salmon.
Wings: Fronts, Bows and Coverts—silver-gray, faintly barred.
Primaries— gray, faintly barred, the outer web stippled with lighter gray and cream.
Secondaries— gray, very faintly barred.
Back: Gray, softly barred, feathers having a lighter shaft permissible.
Tail: Main Tail and Coverts—silver-gray, faintly barred.
Breast: Salmon, well defined in outline, some feathers having a slightly lighter shaft permissible.
Body and Fluff: Silver-gray, indistinctly barred.
Legs and Toes: Yellow.
Under-Color of All Sections: Silver-gray.

here is a wing shot of one of mine - that doesn't have the gray colors like Chicken Pickin has


The primaries are more taupe -- the secondaries are very peppered - or as the correct phrase is 'stippled' -- but it isn't gray it is more brown....and brown in chicken-land is gold....so although her hackles are VERY light -- the body and the wings are not in conformation with those color requirements on the SOP....


so if you follow the red arrow - there is the stippling - but it isn't gray.

Strangest thing too-- I had thought that there was going to be a 'range' that included Cream - and that it would include a lot of the combinations on this chart I made for the purpose of discussion, because I was focused on the Cream and not on the Gray....



So you need to look at the hen's back and wings to find the match to gray -- all the other ones- would fall into the new SOP that I guess I am now authorized to work on by the Board of the Cream Legbar Club--- and I will work on an SOP for the ones like the above hen--- provided there is interest. And I guess that would include all the varieties of Legbar that are excluded from being Cream if there is enough interest. Since gold is taken (should enough interest in the Gold Legbar and the Silver Legbar -- Punnet's originals that lay white eggs and don't have crests, the white recessive (it would have to become not recessive to be a Variety--- wouldn't it)--- and this one -- that is Crele - or tri-colored on the male's wings and not -gray on the females.... Maybe we can launch a survey to see if there is enough interest in these as a variety of Legbar.

Meanwhile -- this particular pullet did nearly look gray at one point in her life:



which just goes to show how much mine change color -- could it be diet related? I think it may have something to do with it. :O)

 

[KPenley]

Is the pullet on the bottom the same bird as the first one? I know diet influences leg color and can make white feathers brassy, but I'll have to do some research about brown. If I have time to take pics this weekend I'll try to get some of my young birds...they are pretty gray e

A recessive color can be a variety, as 2 recessive colored parents will create recessive colored offspring. So as 2 cream parents will create cream offspring, 2 recessive white parents will create recessive white offspring

 

[MrsFitzDarcy]

Ahhh yes Puhi--- you are so astute.

Here is from the Draft SOP from the CL Club's website:

COLOR -- FEMALE

Comb, Face, and Wattles: Bright red.
Beak: Yellow.
Eyes: Reddish bay.
Ear-lobes: Enamel white.
Head: Plumage, cream and gray.
Crest: Cream and gray, some chestnut permissible.
Neck: Hackle—cream, softly barred gray.
Front of neck—salmon.
Wings: Fronts, Bows and Coverts—silver-gray, faintly barred.
Primaries— gray, faintly barred, the outer web stippled with lighter gray and cream.
Secondaries— gray, very faintly barred.
Back: Gray, softly barred, feathers having a lighter shaft permissible.
Tail: Main Tail and Coverts—silver-gray, faintly barred.
Breast: Salmon, well defined in outline, some feathers having a slightly lighter shaft permissible.
Body and Fluff: Silver-gray, indistinctly barred.
Legs and Toes: Yellow.
Under-Color of All Sections: Silver-gray.

here is a wing shot of one of mine - that doesn't have the gray colors like Chicken Pickin has


The primaries are more taupe -- the secondaries are very peppered - or as the correct phrase is 'stippled' -- but it isn't gray it is more brown....and brown in chicken-land is gold....so although her hackles are VERY light -- the body and the wings are not in conformation with those color requirements on the SOP....


so if you follow the red arrow - there is the stippling - but it isn't gray.

Strangest thing too-- I had thought that there was going to be a 'range' that included Cream - and that it would include a lot of the combinations on this chart I made for the purpose of discussion, because I was focused on the Cream and not on the Gray....



So you need to look at the hen's back and wings to find the match to gray -- all the other ones- would fall into the new SOP that I guess I am now authorized to work on by the Board of the Cream Legbar Club--- and I will work on an SOP for the ones like the above hen--- provided there is interest. And I guess that would include all the varieties of Legbar that are excluded from being Cream if there is enough interest. Since gold is taken (should enough interest in the Gold Legbar and the Silver Legbar -- Punnet's originals that lay white eggs and don't have crests, the white recessive (it would have to become not recessive to be a Variety--- wouldn't it)--- and this one -- that is Crele - or tri-colored on the male's wings and not -gray on the females.... Maybe we can launch a survey to see if there is enough interest in these as a variety of Legbar.

Meanwhile -- this particular pullet did nearly look gray at one point in her life:



which just goes to show how much mine change color -- could it be diet related? I think it may have something to do with it. :O)

We used to feed the chestnut and bay horses a little paprika because something in it really brought out the red in their coats. We couldn't horse show on it because of drug testing, though. There are trace amounts of capacin.

 

[ChicKat]

Is the pullet on the bottom the same bird as the first one? I know diet influences leg color and can make white feathers brassy, but I'll have to do some research about brown. If I have time to take pics this weekend I'll try to get some of my young birds...they are pretty gray

A recessive color can be a variety, as 2 recessive colored parents will create recessive colored offspring. So as 2 cream parents will create cream offspring, 2 recessive white parents will create recessive white offspring

Yes, that makes sense.....of course... would the name be recessive white? or just white?

Oh KP --Both are the same pullet - probably about a month apart...... my birds change color All the time -- different ages, different seasons, different feed, etc. They are like the horse in the original Wizard of Oz....really. I have to add - that the Texas Sun is very direct. I had some Barred Plymouth Rocks that turned into Mahogany and yellow rather than black and white-- and especially their tushes got bleached by the sun.... This time of year - my whole flock has kind of changed colors....White feathered bird is brassy -- even my adult Blue Isbars are showing the effect of sun on their feathers. -- for some reason - not the babies though.

Looking forward to your picts. -- wings too?

 

[ChicKat]

We used to feed the chestnut and bay horses a little paprika because something in it really brought out the red in their coats. We couldn't horse show on it because of drug testing, though. There are trace amounts of capacin.

Red Canaries get special food, and if Flamingos don't get enough of a certain color food they are gray!!! I didn't know that horse feed affected their coat color...and that just goes to show you that you can learn something new every day.

I was feeding high dosage of beta carotene to two of my flock late last year -- and I could see a coloration change -- Yes it does make their legs yellower, as well. -- I think that some chicken feed contains marigold petals (maybe those SunFresh formulaes)--- it makes the egg yolks yellower. There are studies on an increase in beta Carotene making the eggs of a sea bird bluer than the control group. -- There is quite a bit to it -- and maybe it doesn't even take that much....

 

[KPenley]

Yes, that makes sense.....of course... would the name be recessive white? or just white?

Oh KP --Both are the same pullet - probably about a month apart...... my birds change color All the time -- different ages, different seasons, different feed, etc.   They are like the horse in the original Wizard of Oz....really.  I have to add - that the Texas Sun is very direct.  I had some Barred Plymouth Rocks that turned into Mahogany and yellow rather than black and white-- and especially their tushes got bleached by the sun....  This time of year - my whole flock has kind of changed colors....White feathered bird is brassy -- even my adult Blue Isbars are showing the effect of sun on their feathers.  -- for some reason - not the babies though.

Looking forward to your picts.  -- wings too?

Yes, I will take wing pics. And the color would just be white since the judges don't be doing any genetic testing

 

[estamets]

I'm so excited to join this thread! My CL chick, Hermione, is abut two weeks old, and is growing up very nicely. She's not the most docile bird, but she is clever and curious, and friendly enough (as long as I don't try to grab her). She came from Secret Hills Ranch in Alpine, CA. I can't wait to watch her grow up!!!

 

[GaryDean26]

Meanwhile -- this particular pullet did nearly look gray at one point in her life:

... would the name be recessive white? or just white?

I think the Genotype is "Recessive White", the Phenotype is "Self White", and the variety is "White".