Cream Legbars

[sol2go]

Chestnut = is just an expression of Red enhancers,
Gold = is the sex linked gene the CL are based on s+/s+
crea = is an autosomal gold diluter ig/ig and the wildtype counter part is Ig+/Ig+ cream has some difficulties diluting red enhanced birds, specially on the shoulders
Red enhancers = Autosomal Red(found on Legbars and other breeds) its believed to be polygenic(more than one simple gene) its kind of hard to get rid of them..
Red enhancers= Mahognay one of the most powerfull red enhancers that have been documented, found on RIR, Not found on CL thank god


Single Barring has an effect on gold birds, but not as much as double barring, double barring is very very powerfull..

here are some gold based s+/s+ Red enhanced(autosomal Red and Mahogany) bird with a single copy of the barring gene.. these are part of a Rhodebar Improvement program(Rhodebar autosexing breed mated to RIR to bring back type and color)

The mahogany & red rhodebars are lovely. I haven't seen examples of such deeply colored barring. Is the barring on the body also black or just the dark mahogany?

I have recurrent questions re: single and double barring.

1) If a CLB hen has barring on her tail and body, regardless of how soft it appears, then she is single barred (as compared to a Welsummer with no barring); is that correct? What intensifies the barring on a hen's tail - the range of known and unknown melanizers as we have discussed relative to hackle and saddle feathers?

2) If that CLB hen is mated to a CLB rooster who is clearly barred, then the offspring should be double barred, unless the rooster is single barred?

3) If the rooster is single barred, the resulting cockerel offspring may either get one copy from each parent, or only get one copy of barring from the hen? If the pullet offspring only get their barring from their single barred father, it should result in non-barred pullets? How would that change the chick down in either case of deficient barring?

4) In as much as I think these are both double barred:
I have a cockerel which has light chest barring and he is carrying some red enhancers. His chick down was light and he was clearly auto-sexing as a chick. His father, who is split for cream and shows red enhancers, started out with light chest barring then developed black chest barring with some color by the time he was two years old.
---- Looking at the barring discussion for a light top of body color that is distinct from a darker underside of the body, what might be contributing to their chest barring or lack thereof? Some have referred to it as "barring type" which may be in the same category as known and unknown melanizers?

Thanks for reiterating any points made previously.

 

[sol2go]

Thanks sol2go. I did mistype and actually meant homo. I think I am confusing red enhancements and chestnut and gold. That may just take me a while to sort out. So I think what I know now is that a bird that is homozygous for cream can still have red enhancements but no gold or chestnut. I am just not sure I know what the difference looks like.

the Cream Legbar Clubsite/ FB post by Curtis, which KPenley and chicken pickin cited previously, has a succinct discussion of some of that. Everytime I read it I look at my birds with new eyes.

 

[sol2go]

These CL are overall a very light gray, I like the look of them but haven't seen anything quite like the pullet. Im looking forward to a photo progression as they mature. Are they siblings from the same mating, do you have pictures of the parent birds?

here's a chick pic for the pullet and her very similar sister, as well as her very red hatch mate on the right (same rooster, different hen).

 

[BuffyBugSlayer]

Chestnut = is just an expression of Red enhancers,
Gold = is the sex linked gene the CL are based on s+/s+
crea = is an autosomal gold diluter ig/ig and the wildtype counter part is Ig+/Ig+ cream has some difficulties diluting red enhanced birds, specially on the shoulders
Red enhancers = Autosomal Red(found on Legbars and other breeds) its believed to be polygenic(more than one simple gene) its kind of hard to get rid of them..
Red enhancers= Mahognay one of the most powerfull red enhancers that have been documented, found on RIR, Not found on CL thank god


Single Barring has an effect on gold birds, but not as much as double barring, double barring is very very powerfull..

here are some gold based s+/s+ Red enhanced(autosomal Red and Mahogany) bird with a single copy of the barring gene.. these are part of a Rhodebar Improvement program(Rhodebar autosexing breed mated to RIR to bring back type and color)

Thank you, that is very helpful. I need to reread this.

 

[BuffyBugSlayer]

the Cream Legbar Clubsite/ FB post by Curtis, which KPenley and chicken pickin cited previously, has a succinct discussion of some of that. Everytime I read it I look at my birds with new eyes.

Thanks! I read it and then re-read it and thought I understood but then I found myself confused. I think it is just a matter of time before it sinks in.

 

[BuffyBugSlayer]

Why is my roo walking so funny? He kind of looks like he's goose stepping.

It looks to me like he has a neurological issue. Not sure the cause though.

 

[nicalandia]

The mahogany & red rhodebars are lovely. I haven't seen examples of such deeply colored barring. Is the barring on the body also black or just the dark mahogany?

they are Columbian Restricted so black can be exprected to show on hackles and saddles and tails also, but since its so dark mahogany then its very difficult to see it, and this are single barred only thats why they are so dark, single barred males would have been lighter colored due to the diluting effect of double barring

1) If a CLB hen has barring on her tail and body, regardless of how soft it appears, then she is single barred (as compared to a Welsummer with no barring); is that correct? What intensifies the barring on a hen's tail - the range of known and unknown melanizers as we have discussed relative to hackle and saddle feathers?

Female CLB can only be single barred, they are Hemizygous barring, they are ZW and the sex linked barring gene can only reside on the Z sex chromosome, males are ZZ so they have two copies

2) If that CLB hen is mated to a CLB rooster who is clearly barred, then the offspring should be double barred, unless the rooster is single barred?

pure CLB hen mated to pure CLB rooster will produce 100% hemizygous Barred Females and 100% Homozygous Barred Males

IF the Male is Single Barred(B/b+) and if he is mated to a pure CLB female he would produce 50% Hemizygous barring females and 50% females that are not barred(nonbarred) and 50% Single Barred males(B/b+) and 50% Homozygous Barred males(B/B)

 

[nicalandia]

4) In as much as I think these are both double barred:
I have a cockerel which has light chest barring and he is carrying some red enhancers. His chick down was light and he was clearly auto-sexing as a chick. His father, who is split for cream and shows red enhancers, started out with light chest barring then developed black chest barring with some color by the time he was two years old.
---- Looking at the barring discussion for a light top of body color that is distinct from a darker underside of the body, what might be contributing to their chest barring or lack thereof? Some have referred to it as "barring type" which may be in the same category as known and unknown melanizers?

Thanks for reiterating any points made previously.

I have seen this very often on the CLB males, some are very light barring while having rich colored hackles and saddles, and some have darker barring while being clearly cream.. so its an independent traits to cream or red enhancement

 

[chicken pickin]

My Rees boys were (trying to) hop on to their sisters at 9 weeks.

They are still young.

How do you find the boys - personalities and crowing as they age?
Due to the large crests the combs on most of the ones I have are not very straight, but otherwise I am loving the Rees.

WOW 9 weeks, hes anxious to start lol.

My Rees are going on 6months old. He has been trying to mate them for a little while now with no success as the girls just would not have it. Until recently he finally able to get them. S far I like the Rees. The male looks slightly different than my male in body type, color, head shape and size but I think it is workable. The cockerels crest is ok but the comb doesnt extend toward the back of the head so the entire back of the comb flops over. And the pullets are coming along nicely both with decent type and the coloring is ok though one is better than the other. The pullets look similar to my pullets here.

As far as personality they are good so far not overly sweet but not timid. And the cockerel seems a little protective of his girls but hes not too worried to be aggressive. I am happy with them so far and so excited to start hatching from them.

edited to add- his crowing isn't terrible. He didn't start too young, only about a month ago so he is still finding his voice he doesn't over crow nor is it too loud. My other CL cockerel oh boy does he have a high pitched loud crow and he just goes and goes lol. I hope the Rees boy stays the way he is, which isn't too noticeable.

My Rees boy






My Rees pullets

 

[chicken pickin]

here's a chick pic for the pullet and her very similar sister, as well as her very red hatch mate on the right (same rooster, different hen).

That is very interesting, they are so light in color and the other so red. Please post as they age, I really would like to see what these light chicks/light gray pullets look like as adults.