Cream Legbars

[duluthralphie]

AHHahhh

I should have known King George was behind this... The Brits have never forgiven us from the little dust up in the late 1700's...

I am not selling any eggs or chicks now. That does not mean I will not in the future. I am trying to built my own flock now. I have them segregated from my other birds. I am a huge free range and mixed birds advocate. That does not mean I will let my CL'c breed willy nilly.

That said I have a EE ( yep a mutt) that lays a very blue egg. Bluer than my CL's. I have thought of making her Ray's woman, but I have resisted so far. My fear is I would not be able to tell her eggs from the CLs and I do not want them mixed up...

Maybe I will move Ray back and forth ( setting up a pen for just the EE or two to get the CL blue egg gene into my mutts)

BTW when I sell my EE I tell people they are mutts that "SHOULD" lay blue, green or Olive eggs. No guarantees!

I also think in all "official" if there is such a thing the correct name should be used. Chickens not being "registered" are somewhat different, while it makes it easier to just breed towards a standard, makes it easier for shysters.

If I sell chicks or eggs, I am fairly sure I will not sell them as "diamond encrusted eggs" or even "creamettes". I may sell the eggs as Lobster eggs though!!! (ROFLMBO).

Seriously, I would most likely list them as Crested Cream Legbars, or Cream legbars.. I like you think they should al have a crest, it is so cool. However, I will be checking my chicks well before keeping them as one of my girls has a smallish crest, which I do not particularly care for, and do not want to make dominant.

Without a USA standard it is harder to breed towards the standard, Especially if you are like me and think that royal tea tax is evil!

Feel free to rant away, I can handle it. I have been married to the same woman for 43 years, I am really good at ignoring rants now.

 

[ChicKat]

Here is the standard that will be polished up and submitted to the American Poultry Association.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/603454/cream-legbar-pictures/570#post_15050480

Put me on the waiting list for the diamond encrusted eggs from your creamettes (sounds like a girl rock group from MoTown... or an Easter basket candy)

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/20/world/faberge-third-imperial-egg/
http://www.today.com/id/22007404/ns...aberge-egg-sells-record-million/#.VSfHt_nF80E

ETA - I so love EEs --

I wish that CLs had pea combs... but if they had crest, muff, beard they would look like little LIONS or frilled lizzards. You can always sell your CL crosses as Easter Leggers. I think normanack invented that name. Normanack - where are you now a days BTW??

 

[chicken pickin]

Here is the standard that will be polished up and submitted to the American Poultry Association.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/603454/cream-legbar-pictures/570#post_15050480

Put me on the waiting list for the diamond encrusted eggs from your creamettes (sounds like a girl rock group from MoTown... or an Easter basket candy)

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/20/world/faberge-third-imperial-egg/
http://www.today.com/id/22007404/ns...aberge-egg-sells-record-million/#.VSfHt_nF80E

ETA - I so love EEs --

I wish that CLs had pea combs... but if they had crest, muff, beard they would look like little LIONS or frilled lizzards. You can always sell your CL crosses as Easter Leggers. I think normanack invented that name. Normanack - where are you now a days BTW??

pssst you didn't post the link to the Standard

That's to the CL pic thread.

 

[KPenley]

Just to add my 2 cents, the breed has officially been the Cream Legbar since it was first presented at the London Dairy Show by Prof Punnett in 1948. The crested part has never been part of the official name, more used by individuals as a nickname like "creme" or the like. Sellers may call their birds whatever they wish, especially if they are interested in attracting blue egg buyers, but if they want to be taken seriously by club members or APA Fanciers, I would suggest that they use the proper name "Cream Legbars". It shows initiative and a level of caring enough to learn about the breed. Best wishes!

 

[KPenley]

The standard will receive a brief update soon, but here is the latest standard draft 3a.

 

[ChicKat]

pssst you didn't post the link to the Standard

That's to the CL pic thread.

The standard will receive a brief update soon, but here is the latest standard draft 3a.

Thanks guys -- sorry for the omission. LOL -- leave it to me.

 

[Phage]

Here are some more pics of my chicks. So did I get ripped off? No eyeliner really, no V and no distinct chipmunk pattern really?

I would take them back and ask for full refund.
They are not good examples of the breed, and may not be female or pure.
I really doubt the seller Is deliberately trying to rip you off but they should know what they are selling, and should make sure that it is correct especially if selling chicks from eggs they have purchased. Kind of a no brainer.


Re the name issue.... It did not even occur to me that if a seller was selling "crested cream Legbars" and not "cream Legbars" that they would be using a slight change of name to hide the fact that the birds were not the real deal.

I just don't think people think that hard about it and are that devious. Careless or uneducated maybe, but not devious

 

[BuffyBugSlayer]

IpickYupik, I do think you need to to say something. Those clearly are not female CL's and the breeder needs to know. At that point they may do the right thing or they may fight you on it. Hopefully they will do the right thing. I think there is a lot of new people (me included) that are interested in the breed. Some may end up buying stock they are told are CL and they aren't and then continue to breed and sell out of ignorance. I like to believe most people aren't being devious but they are out there.

Since there are no chicken registries it really is up to the people breeding to police themselves and to put pressure on other breeders to be educated and honest. I was introduced to the breed as Crested Cream Legbars and it was really hard for me to drop the crested part but once I knew it wasn't accurate, I did. Now when I see them advertised as Crested Cream Legbars it raises a red flag for me. To me it shows that the breeder either doesn't know or doesn't care about the proper name of the chicken they are breeding. And if they don't care about the name they may not care about the stock they are breeding either.

It seems to be widely accepted to breed and sell hybrids in the chicken world as long as they are accurately advertised. People buy and sell them all the time. EE's are extremely popular! There is a thread exclusively dedicated to Legbar hybrids. I am a big believer in truth in advertising and I really hate it when people get duped. You should at least be getting what you paid for. I certainly don't care what nicknames people have for their chicken breeds in casual conversation but when it comes to promoting, advertising and selling you should be as accurate as possible. Of course this is all just my opinion.

 

[iPickYupik]

I did contact the person I got them from and I'm feeling like a dumb newbie right now but got to get started and learn somewhere right? I had to go back and read all the messages from her. I guess she's just been vague and I assumed, so, my fault. I should have asked more questions and requested more pictures to begin with but was in a hurry since I really wanted Cream Legbars and after she dropped her prices, she said they were going quick and I better decide fast. Advertising that the chicks never had to be shipped doesn't mean that the eggs weren't shipped. New to legbars this year means "this hatch will be my first legbars, too" I think. I've learned a lot through this transaction. I did look up the hatchery she got the eggs from and they do look similar to what they are selling. Ahhh chicken business. Totally not all her fault, I should have questioned and done more research and I don't think she really knows what to look for yet. The joys of being a newbie. :/ I'll know better next time and if I start to breed Cream Legbars, I'll be sure not to put these in with purebred breeding stock. Now to keep my fingers crossed that these will be girls and will lay nice blue eggs for my own enjoyment...

 

[iPickYupik]

Is anyone here familiar with Omega Hills farm in Mississippi? That's where she said the eggs came from.