Cream Legbars

[sol2go]

These are the only two photos I have access to of him at the moment.

I had a non-crested Cream colored Cream Legbar Pullet that I wanted to cross with Brown Leghorns. I wanted to Isolate the cream color in a non-barred line so that I could see how it varied from individual to individual on non-barred birds. I ordered some show line Single Combed Light Brown Leghorns eggs for my birthday present the fall of 2013. We only got one to hatch and it was a pullet that we lost as a juvenile. In the Spring of 2014 we were at the Tractor Supply and they just got in a batch of Straight Run Single Combed Light Brown Leghorns so we took 6 of them home with us. We ended up with two cockerels and four pullets. One of the cockerels came out Cream. I couldn't have been more excited with my luck.

So the sport cream light brown leghorn was as you purchased him, not the result of a cross you made?
Any chance you ever bred him to a CL hen?

Would you say his cream "duck wing" was a distinguishing factor as well as his hackles?
Because it was a non-barred breed, do you feel the cream was in this case more yellow than it might have looked with barring in the mix?

 

[jerryse]

These are the only two photos I have access to of him at the moment.

I had a non-crested Cream colored Cream Legbar Pullet that I wanted to cross with Brown Leghorns. I wanted to Isolate the cream color in a non-barred line so that I could see how it varied from individual to individual on non-barred birds. I ordered some show line Single Combed Light Brown Leghorns eggs for my birthday present the fall of 2013. We only got one to hatch and it was a pullet that we lost as a juvenile. In the Spring of 2014 we were at the Tractor Supply and they just got in a batch of Straight Run Single Combed Light Brown Leghorns so we took 6 of them home with us. We ended up with two cockerels and four pullets. One of the cockerels came out Cream. I couldn't have been more excited with my luck.

I wonder if he was cream or Golden Duckwing . Cream has been referred to as a true breeding Golden Duckwing so they look very similar .

 

[ChicKat]

These are the only two photos I have access to of him at the moment.

I had a non-crested Cream colored Cream Legbar Pullet that I wanted to cross with Brown Leghorns. I wanted to Isolate the cream color in a non-barred line so that I could see how it varied from individual to individual on non-barred birds. I ordered some show line Single Combed Light Brown Leghorns eggs for my birthday present the fall of 2013. We only got one to hatch and it was a pullet that we lost as a juvenile. In the Spring of 2014 we were at the Tractor Supply and they just got in a batch of Straight Run Single Combed Light Brown Leghorns so we took 6 of them home with us. We ended up with two cockerels and four pullets. One of the cockerels came out Cream. I couldn't have been more excited with my luck.

wow, such a nice looking chicken, could almost make a person want to raise Leghorns. Thanks for the post.

 

[ChicKat]

I wonder if he was cream or Golden Duckwing . Cream has been referred to as a true breeding Golden Duckwing so they look very similar .

This quote from 2011 by Tim Adkerson may help clarify:

"Gold duckwing refers to a male or female that is wild type at the E locus- the birds do not carry any genes that would modify the plumage. "

A good representative of the unmodified coloration of a chicken is the red jungle fowl:
complements of nicalandia here are some gold duckwing images...you can clearly see the gold wing triangle:


this is how a gold duckwing roo should look(Red JungleFowl)

this is how gold duckwing looks in a domesticated rooster(Dutch)

 

[jerryse]

Quote:
I was referring to Golden Duckwing as in the poultry standard . A male carrying both gold and silver . The SOP does not always use the same terms as genetic people .

 

[jerryse]

This male carries both gold and silver not cream . I was only trying to point that they look the same . Since leghorn have both light brown and silver varieties he could have been a cross of these 2 leghorn varieties . Not sure if leghorn has a recognized cream variety . Could be a project color I suppose . However having made this type of cross many times in several breeds I know they sometimes can look pure for red (gold) or silver . I suspect a male split for silver and red was used by mistake in the breeder flock . He simply looked pure light brown .

 

[ChicKat]

This male carries both gold and silver not cream . I was only trying to point that they look the same . Since leghorn have both light brown and silver varieties he could have been a cross of these 2 leghorn varieties . Not sure if leghorn has a recognized cream variety . Could be a project color I suppose . However having made this type of cross many times in several breeds I know they sometimes can look pure for red (gold) or silver . I suspect a male split for silver and red was used by mistake in the breeder flock . He simply looked pure light brown .

Pretty chicken! I think in another thread Walt brought it up that in Exhibition Poultry it is the phenotype that is recognized by the judges and more and more instances of what you are saying/showing are turning up. There are ways to get cream with autosomal or mahagony on silver -- and of course the way we propose for CL -- gold that is diluted... there are other dilute genes as well Di and Cb -- in the end my thoughts are that going the s+/s+ ig/ig route is going to produce the most success, clearest and most sustainable and reliable cream.

Very pretty birds in your shot BTW - Interesting how his wing triangle shows both cream and black ....

 

[ChicKat]

I was referring to Golden Duckwing as in the poultry standard . A male carrying both gold and silver . The SOP does not always use the same terms as genetic people .

Is Golden Duckwing in the poultry standard? I know in Europe they were talking about it once being used for Split Silver -- but I hadn't heard of it being accepted in the USA or used even overseas in recent years...Infact - I think they would like to combine silver and gold duckwing into one......JMO

 

[jerryse]

Is Golden Duckwing in the poultry standard? I know in Europe they were talking about it once being used for Split Silver -- but I hadn't heard of it being accepted in the USA or used even overseas in recent years...Infact - I think they would like to combine silver and gold duckwing into one......JMO

Should still be in there . Look up Old English Games and Phoenix . They show them in those breeds . I do not have the latest copy but it is in the one I have . Leghorn may or may not have them listed .

 

[Sylvester017]

I still can't believe the Breeder didn't send you and the people that got your Breda Pullet free replacements (they pay the shipping) since they mixed up the order and send you the cockerel and the people that wanted the cockerel your pullet.

Yes...the hard part was choosing which breed to keep. The decision took almost 2 years. It really just came down to which breed I thought I could do the most with. We got really lucky to get a Sport Cream Leghorn cockerel and it seemed a waste to let that project go, but it was really just to support the Cream Legbar knowledge so we decided to keep the main thing the main thing. The Marans were the breed that we had been working with longest and we were just starting to see success in that breed after 4 years, but we had multiple bloodlines for that breed which made it as much work as multiple breeds so we stuck with the Cream Legbars that were well set up with a three pen system of our own developing bloodline that will work perfectly with a single breed plan.

The breeder made a partial monetary resolution but no bird replacements as they didn't have any left in our color choice and wouldn't part with one of their rare Blue Mottleds plus I didn't want to wait for a new hatch to incubate, hatch, and grow out. I found another breeder within our own State where a pullet was ready and no shipped bird had to cross Interstate boundaries (because of AI) and the little girl is so-o-o-o worth it. Breeding/shipping season really halted early this Spring because of the AI epidemic so feel fortunate to get this little girl who is currently strolling around my computer table because she knows if she strolls up to me and stares at me I'll get up and carve another little bit of cooked egg yolk for her

. They are so good at training us!

Looks like your Cream Legs project attracted some interest!