Cream Legbars

Temperaments can vary greatly, but seem to be somewhat genetic. I had one Cock that I had to eliminate from my program, including all of his progeny. The rest have been fine. I find young CL flighty but with adulthood they settle down, unless scared of course. They are great foragers and hide quite well from predators during the day. I have had Legbars with Silkies and Bantam Wyandottes without any problems.
Eggs can be blue to green, and a few olive colors have shown up the last year. Hope that helps, and welcome to Cream Legbars!

@KPenley - Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate hearing from someone with a bit of experience behind their input rather than a new owner who thinks their breed is the cat's meow before having the breed for a while. I've had a few breeds that were great as juveniles and then turned into terrors after the first-year molt. I've also had fluctuating personalities/temperaments in individual hens depending on molting times or brooding. I can always re-home a hen if she doesn't work out in the flock but doing research homework with feedback has saved me from making inappropriate breed choices the last couple years.

Our blue egg Amer is a fantastic temperament around our gentle breeds and is so wary that she avoids conflict with any flockmate. I was just wondering how much a CL hen would take advantage of lording over the extremely gentle breeds in our tiny flock. We have a very small cottage yard so there's not much room for hiding or avoiding an aggressive pullet - we had to re-home our Buff Leghorn at one-yr-old because she found she could easily bully, chase, and vigorously pull out the beards, muffs, and crests of the Amer and Silkies without retaliation from them. I will tolerate normal pecking order politics but not anything that injurious.

The first time I bypassed CLs was because they have a Leghorn history. Our experience with Legs around gentle non-combative breeds was not good so I hesitated considering CLs last time around. If there is a strong possibility that the CL's Leghorn history can cause the same behavior as their Leg ancestor I would appreciate a lot of feedback from you CL owners/breeders. If you've never owned Legs you may not be aware of how they can be very assertive to downright cannibalistic in their associations with other breeds or even with each other. Chickens can be brutal just because they're chickens but my folks raised Legs and I've had a couple in my backyard flock and their reputation does precede them. A Leg can be mellow for a year or two and suddenly go bonkers on her flockmates. I was wondering if any CL breeders or owners have seen this behavior come out in any of their CL hens?

Many thanks for your feedback and hospitality!
 
@KPenley - Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate hearing from someone with a bit of experience behind their input rather than a new owner who thinks their breed is the cat's meow before having the breed for a while. I've had a few breeds that were great as juveniles and then turned into terrors after the first-year molt. I've also had fluctuating personalities/temperaments in individual hens depending on molting times or brooding. I can always re-home a hen if she doesn't work out in the flock but doing research homework with feedback has saved me from making inappropriate breed choices the last couple years.

Our blue egg Amer is a fantastic temperament around our gentle breeds and is so wary that she avoids conflict with any flockmate. I was just wondering how much a CL hen would take advantage of lording over the extremely gentle breeds in our tiny flock. We have a very small cottage yard so there's not much room for hiding or avoiding an aggressive pullet - we had to re-home our Buff Leghorn at one-yr-old because she found she could easily bully, chase, and vigorously pull out the beards, muffs, and crests of the Amer and Silkies without retaliation from them. I will tolerate normal pecking order politics but not anything that injurious.

The first time I bypassed CLs was because they have a Leghorn history. Our experience with Legs around gentle non-combative breeds was not good so I hesitated considering CLs last time around. If there is a strong possibility that the CL's Leghorn history can cause the same behavior as their Leg ancestor I would appreciate a lot of feedback from you CL owners/breeders. If you've never owned Legs you may not be aware of how they can be very assertive to downright cannibalistic in their associations with other breeds or even with each other. Chickens can be brutal just because they're chickens but my folks raised Legs and I've had a couple in my backyard flock and their reputation does precede them. A Leg can be mellow for a year or two and suddenly go bonkers on her flockmates. I was wondering if any CL breeders or owners have seen this behavior come out in any of their CL hens?

Many thanks for your feedback and hospitality!

You are more than welcome. I feel like I'm still learning a lot but I can share what I've learned so far.

Again, I think their temperament has a lot to do with genetics, how they were raised, and how much interaction they have had with people. I have had two situations that remind me of the Leghorn behavior you described, but neither have involved a bird going bonkers around two years of age.
These are really chicken behavior in it's extreme, and both are my fault, but I wanted to share anyway.
My first CL is my best broody hen. She hatched 11/14 eggs her first hatch (yes, she stole eggs) and raised them gently. I decided to put her back in with her old pen mates and they attacked. I should have known better. But ignorantly I thought that they would remember her, or something ridiculous like that. She was not bloody, but was scared and feather picked and I got her out of there. I introduced her properly to my Barnies and she has lived there quite happily for the last couple of years. She gets pulled out to set if she goes broody during hatching season. She is 3 years old, with no weird behavior.
This past season I put a 6 week old pullet in a cage for two days and then let her out into the big breeding pen because we were going out of town. Again my mistake. She should have had a companion. She should have had more time to be introduced, etc. She was attacked, bloody, and in shock when I found her hiding in a back corner. I decided to put her down. That was the worst experience I've had in CL behavior.

I have seen behavior passed down through genetics, and it was a daughter (who has since left the premises) of the cock I referred to earlier that instigated the attack on my first hen. I have seen great behavior from the birds that were kind broody raised, and those hatched by a broody Silkie always treated them well. I have incubated too, and birds raised with the smaller breed birds always treated them better than meeting at an older age. In fact I have a team of 1 Silkie and 2 Bantam Wyandottes that raised some of my chicks this year and did a fabulous job with them. I have also seen temperament intensified with hand raising. It appears to make nicer birds nicer and mean birds meaner. I try to handle my birds as early as possible and signs of pecking my hands or flying at me get them put on the short list for culling if a warning or two doesn't work. (spray bottle with water, vinegar or lemon juice usually does the trick with juvenile cockerels)

By the way, I still think CLs are the Cat's meow :)
 
Hi Sylvester017 -

Just like KPenley - I think that CLs are the cat's meow - and I've had GFF hatched pair and their offspring since 2012. (Time flys)

---- Most people say that CLs sort toward the middle or bottom of pecking orders. I only have had a few breeds, BPR, Golden Comet, - Basque, a short-lived Black sex-link and an EE who was top mother superior hen and a real crack-up with her personality. I also had an Ideal 236 - that was pretty mean to all -- the the degree that at one time i outfitted her with 'Bumper Bits'. (Ideal 236 is a hybrid of Leghorn)--- The 236 personality was nothing like the CL. Are you talking, for your flock only females? or are you including male in the personality analysis?

I've never had Bantam breeds, however, my Isbars are pretty small chickens (that lay big eggs)-- and I would say in one pen where the breeds are mixed -- the Isbars dominate the Legbar.

Keep us up to date with what you find out and what you decide. Most folks love the CL temperament.
 
Hatchery Leghorns are nut cases....generally. A real Leghorn is quite big and although flighty is not aggressive ....as a rule. You can't name a breed and say they will behave a certain way, as each strain behaves differently. One rule is that most Mediterraneans are more flighty than a larger breeds, but usually not aggressive. I have large fowl with bantams, but I know how they will act with each other before I put them together. I don't share this often, but I have black Silkies and I don't keep them with any other breed, as the ones I have are exhibition Silkies that can't really see like a normal chicken because of the crests. You don't put a bird with impaired vision with birds that can see in all directions.

Walt
 
Thank you to Sylvester for asking these questions and to all who have answered. My three CL pullets (not only my first CLs, but my first chickens) are approaching POL, and I couldn't possibly try to predict their overall flock temperament with other chickens based on their current behavior as a pretty closely bonded trio. I'll be adding a younger cockerel (soon, I hope! Gotta finish that coop!), and later some younger pullets, and I find myself wondering how they will be.
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KPenley, your stories are instructive with regard to flock dynamics and remind me to be cautious in reintroductions to the flock...

- Ant Farm
 
Hatchery Leghorns are nut cases....generally. A real Leghorn is quite big and although flighty is not aggressive ....as a rule. You can't name a breed and say they will behave a certain way, as each strain behaves differently. One rule is that most Mediterraneans are more flighty than a larger breeds, but usually not aggressive. I have large fowl with bantams, but I know how they will act with each other before I put them together. I don't share this often, but I have black Silkies and I don't keep them with any other breed, as the ones I have are exhibition Silkies that can't really see like a normal chicken because of the crests. You don't put a bird with impaired vision with birds that can see in all directions.

Walt

This raises a question/desire for clarification, regarding the term "flighty". It seems that it means different things to different people. Some seem to use it as a general term to imply undesirable or non-social behavior, or not liking humans at all and being hard to handle/keep. Others use it to mean, well, "flighty", meaning they fly well and are also predator-alert.

I would describe my CLs as flighty using the second meaning. They don't beg to be cuddled like puppies, but they are pretty sweet with me and like to be on my lap when I put them there (and one loves to sit on my shoulder). But they can fly very well, and run for cover quickly (appropriately) when something startles them. I wouldn't describe them as flighty in a negative sense (undesirable behavior). And I wouldn't want someone to think that CL behavior is undesirable if the term flighty is used...

How do other folks use the term "flighty" and how do you think it is interpreted?

- Ant Farm
 
I've had CLB's for several years now and from several different breeders because of moving countries. All the birds I have and had in the past have been great birds temp wise, The run in a mixed flock except for breeding season when I need the eggs to be pure not mixed. The Roosters aren't very aggressive to other birds, they often just hang out with the other roosters dust bathing.

I have Banties in my mixed flock and young birds my CLB's just leave them alone. One Bantie hen has decided she's taken a real shine to my CLB Rooster and she's decided she's one of his hens. She bosses the other CLB hens around but also shows them where all the best foraging spots are. And they have excepted her as one of the gang without a problem.

I don't find them aggressive towards humans and if any bird was they would be in the oven real quick as I have kids in and outta the runs and handling the birds all the time. They often come up and sit in your lap and eat bread from your hand if offered. I think there a great breed. I do as a rule handle all my birds especially the young birds.
 
This raises a question/desire for clarification, regarding the term "flighty". It seems that it means different things to different people. Some seem to use it as a general term to imply undesirable or non-social behavior, or not liking humans at all and being hard to handle/keep. Others use it to mean, well, "flighty", meaning they fly well and are also predator-alert.

I would describe my CLs as flighty using the second meaning. They don't beg to be cuddled like puppies, but they are pretty sweet with me and like to be on my lap when I put them there (and one loves to sit on my shoulder). But they can fly very well, and run for cover quickly (appropriately) when something startles them. I wouldn't describe them as flighty in a negative sense (undesirable behavior). And I wouldn't want someone to think that CL behavior is undesirable if the term flighty is used...

How do other folks use the term "flighty" and how do you think it is interpreted?

- Ant Farm

Flighty to me and the people I associate with means that they are nervous birds and generally are not very social to humans.
That does not mean they are mean birds. Mean birds generally have no problem coming up to humans as they are not afraid of much. Flighty in my my world means if you go into their cage they will run or will be bouncing off the ceiling.

Walt
 
Flighty to me and the people I associate with means that they are nervous birds and generally are not very social to humans.
That does not mean they are mean birds. Mean birds generally have no problem coming up to humans as they are not afraid of much. Flighty in my my world means if you go into their cage they will run or will be bouncing off the ceiling.

Walt

This is how I would describe flighty too, only my juveniles are also quite talented in the flight department. I don't know if it's just weight with age that makes flying more difficult or not, but they do seem to settle down a lot after reaching POL of 12-18 months for cocks. After handling and treats, my birds near 6 months birds will approach and wait for a treat, but they can still fly quite well if I drop a waterer by accident or startle them in some other way. Like ChicKat I have found that CL are not usually top of the pecking order. My Lucy is at the bottom in the Barnevelder pen, but she accepts her position and is fine.
 

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