Cream Legbars

[dretd]

Chicken pickin, I like the color of your cockerel. His tail angle looks high to me - a fault we are seeing in many birds. Tail angle is measured from the line of the back, not the ground. His comb is not great, which you already know. I would also at this age like to see him filling out more with a deeper chest, it may be he is standing more erect than normal due to the camera.

I, too, have been following CSU and this was a point that was brought up recently where they state that the tail angle is measured from the slope of the back (they were talking about Polish at the time)--I think we may need to do a little more clarification on the Cream Legbar SOP

Here is a snippet from the Standard (can't guarantee accuracy) in Britain http://autosexing-poultry.co.uk/wordpress/legbar/ but is reitterated here http://blue-eggs.co.uk/#/standard-for-cream-legbar/4554224408 :
"Tail moderately full at an angle of 45 degrees from the line of the back."

And here is the male tail angle info from draft for the Cream Legbars as posted on the Cream Legbar Website http://www.creamlegbarclub.com/30-draft-standard-of-perfection-as-of-2013 :
"Tail: Moderately full, carried at an angle of forty-five degrees above horizontal"

So our proposed standard apparently differs from the one I found listed for the British SOP and also from the APA traditional rules (as stated on CSU) on measuring tail angles. Hmmm.

And more food for thought regarding Squirrel tail, it appears to be defined as a greater than 90 degree angle from horizontal, not the line of the back--see drawing From The Mating and Breeding of Poultry by Lamon and Slocum (1920) Digitalized by Google Books (as reproduced in http://scratchcradle.wordpress.com/2012/09/09/gms11-breeding-for-type/ )



And even more food for thought: this PDF 'Exhibiting 4-H Poultry that on page 4 clearly demonstrates that the tail angle is measured off the horizontal line http://ianrpubs.unl.edu/live/ec282/build/ec282.pdf and also states that squirrel tail is more than 90 measured from horizontal.

 

[nicalandia]

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[nicalandia]

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your rooster is Not related to the Pullets right?...

 

[chicken pickin]

No not directly. Their parent stock both originally came from Green Fire Farms. But I got the Rooster and the Pullets from 2 separate breeders.

 

[nicalandia]

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these hens will greatly improve your male line if you intend on using him, I would be in the look out for your next batch of males out of that cross...

 

[1muttsfan]

I would take Walt's word over just about any source, he is both experienced and knowledgeable. It does seem like there is a lot of misinformation about tail angle measurement, probably incorrect information has been quoted from sources that did not check their facts first.

That scratch cradle reference is great.

 

[nicalandia]

here is a dark down male for you lonnyandrinda.

Steen this male shows alot of promise to him.. while his saddle may not have more grey barring...


lets take a look at other Grey Barring on him...
first loot at the shoulders, Grey barring right there(whith chestnut, some only have chestnut barring which is different)

his back and his creast also have grey barring, the Sickles are also light grey as the SOP calls for it..
secondaries dark grey more clearly marked; coverts grey barred

I would say color wise is is 95% with the UK Standard.. Such a great speciment

 

[Flaming Chicken]

here is a dark down male for you lonnyandrinda. I would have to disagree about the dark color down coming out colored wrong. its been said so much on here and a bunch of dark downs being culled but enless the barring on this guy is really the wrong kind of barring in the dark down chicks id say this guy is colored just fine.

He's very nice. I have my fingers crossed that one of my cockerels is going to look like this.

 

[TherryChicken]

 

[TherryChicken]