Cream Legbars

[nicalandia]

Thanks nicalandia. I think I am starting to understand this a little better.

This is a question to all of you that have a better grasp than I..cream legbars can be homozygous and heterozygous for cream, correct? So the "silvery" looking ones are homozygous for cream and the others are heterozygous? But they can still have some red/chestnut and still be heterozygous for cream? Would you be able to tell by the color of the wing triangle then? Or is there no way to tell for sure by looking...

I guess this is what I am trying to sort out.

while some CL are for sure het for the cream gene(the ones that look TOO RICH and look like crele and have separate SOP I guess) most of the difference you see on this thread are difference in red ehancers, cream with red enhancers, some have more than others,

 

[badflash]

Now that I believe we have established that some of my birds have Welsummer in them, and the male has no barring, is there a way to tell the females other than caging them and seeing what eggs they lay?

 

[nicalandia]

Now that I believe we have established that some of my birds have Welsummer in them, and the male has no barring, is there a way to tell the females other than caging them and seeing what eggs they lay?

the male has barring, but only heterozygous(or are you talking about other male)

as for females.. yes you would need to Cage them and pick the ones laying brown eggs as they are Culls and will not help you, but will hurt your efforts.

 

[badflash]

the male has barring, but only heterozygous(or are you talking about other male)

I was talking about the Welsummer cross that has no barring. As the brown eggs get bigger they are getting a pinkish hue to them. I will separate the brown layers and the mutt roo and have a separate colony. They would be auto-sexing at any rate, so that counts for something.

 

[ChicKat]

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Probably not Crele Penedesencas, they look a lot like a Gold Legbar.
Not sure where my OE rooster pics are, but I had several Cream Legbar xCrele Penedesenca mixed Roos, and they seemed to have plenty of barring (double?).
From the information posted, I'm not sure if we know what color eggshell gene he would carry?



Best wishes to KPenley and anyone else from the Cream Legbar club at the APA National Show in Knoxville this weekend!

Hi Sol2Go-

Do you have access to a true gold Legbar (i.e. white eggs, no crest)-- or pictures, or are you referring to a blue-egg laying and crested 'colorful' bird as gold legbar. I am really eager to see a picture of a true Gold Legbar.

 

[sol2go]

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maybe the chicks would look like these Cream Legbars?
pullet


related cockerel


The pictures are a couple of weeks old.
The pullet is starting to get salmon chest feathers and the cockerel is starting to develop creamy looking saddle feathers (which actually look different than the current body color).

 

[sol2go]

Hi Sol2Go-

Do you have access to a true gold Legbar (i.e. white eggs, no crest)-- or pictures, or are you referring to a blue-egg laying and crested 'colorful' bird as gold legbar. I am really eager to see a picture of a true Gold Legbar.

HI ChicKat,

maybe my reference was too casual. I do not have access to a Gold Legbar, and now that you asked, I can't find a reliable picture on-line (at least not quickly).
I think "colorful" legbar would be a better statement. Let me know if you find what you are looking for!

 

[sol2go]

I was talking about the Welsummer cross that has no barring. As the brown eggs get bigger they are getting a pinkish hue to them. I will separate the brown layers and the mutt roo and have a separate colony. They would be auto-sexing at any rate, so that counts for something.

I have Welsummer pullets that are laying a range of brown/pink eggs, but they seem darker than the eggs you posted. Could your brown eggs be from a Welsummer crossed with something that lays white eggs? (no offense to the already long list of considerations)

My Welsummers are with a Cream Legbar cockerel but I haven't hatched any of their eggs to compare offspring with your unknowns. I would expect a Cream Legbar x Welsummer cross to have minty green eggs unless the Cream Legbar was heterozygous for the blue eggshell gene, in which case the offspring might not get a blue gene.

For example, I have some olive egg offspring from a very dark Marans x Cream Legbar hen and discovered that the hen was not double for blue as some of the offspring lay a brown egg with no hint of blue/green, while others lay a deep olive egg.

The Welsummer pullets are also with Cream Legbar pullets and when out free ranging, have such similar body patterns with more vibrant colors.

 

[sol2go]

while some CL are for sure het for the cream gene(the ones that look TOO RICH and look like crele and have separate SOP I guess) most of the difference you see on this thread are difference in red ehancers, cream with red enhancers, some have more than others,

There have been much repeated references to the red/chestnut in the cockerels, but I am starting to see it in a new way. Thanks for that.
Now I'm wondering how closely tied the red enhancers are to the cream gene or some other factor, and how difficult it is to reduce/eliminate the red tones.

When I see an easy to identify cream cockerel, any extra color on the wings actually looks brown to me, would that be considered chestnut but not a red enhancer?

ps hello to others in the conversation that I may not have actually acknowledged...

 

[sol2go]

Thanks nicalandia. I think I am starting to understand this a little better.

This is a question to all of you that have a better grasp than I..cream legbars can be homozygous and heterozygous for cream, correct? So the "silvery" looking ones are homozygous for cream and the others are heterozygous? But they can still have some red/chestnut and still be heterozygous for cream? Would you be able to tell by the color of the wing triangle then? Or is there no way to tell for sure by looking...

I guess this is what I am trying to sort out.

Did you get your answer to the highlighted items above?
I thought you may have meant homozygous for cream? In which case the wing triangle is barred and does not show gold or any other color (it shows gold when not double for cream - as I understand it)