Cream Legbars

[chicken pickin]

In response to everyone who commented on these pictures, I hatched these from eggs from a local breeder whose stock came from GFF. Her stock was created if I remember correctly. I think I do have some pictures I will just have to look for them. The eggs were a very true blue not green. Oh and these pullets are not laying yet. Would they be worth breeding to sell chicks and hatching eggs even if they aren't crested?
The parents and an egg

You can breed and sell as you choose. But my personal advise to people is to not breed uncrested birds or at least not uncrested to uncrested or sell the eggs or chicks of the uncrested birds until after you have worked on getting the crest trait back into you flock. Just my opinion though.

 

[Odelia]

In response to everyone who commented on these pictures, I hatched these from eggs from a local breeder whose stock came from GFF. Her stock was created if I remember correctly. I think I do have some pictures I will just have to look for them. The eggs were a very true blue not green. Oh and these pullets are not laying yet. Would they be worth breeding to sell chicks and hatching eggs even if they aren't crested?
The parents and an egg

It depends on what you sell them as and how much you are charging. If they lay a lovely blue egg and you want to sell them to back yard chicken keepers as a blue egg layer do so. I would be hesitant to sell them to people looking for Legbars of their own to raise and breed. I would try to find a new cockerel with the traits your girls are missing to breed.

 

[ChicKat]

Once again, I agree with Chicken picken. BTW The egg is a beautiful color!!! And the breeder's birds look nice

- however, it would have been nice if the breeder had told you that your chickens would be crestless.

If you get a crested rooster with two cresting genes--- the chicks you hatch should have crests - and you could sell them as Cream Legbars - but it would be, IMO very forthright to tell any buyers that they all would have only 1 cresting gene.

Some folks only want autosexed chickens so if they live in the city and no roosters are allowed - they won't get a rooster by mistake.. and they will get blue eggs, for that market your chicks should be fine. Some people want to hatch eggs that they get from their Cream Legbars and if anyone were to buy from you - with that in mind--- they should have full disclosure. --

Wouldn't it have been very nice if the breeder that you bought from had gone to the trouble of getting crests on the chicks that would hatch from the eggs sold? you wouldn't be facing this issue if that had been the case.

In the next version of the SOP - it will probably state in the wording that it is a DQ to have a Cream Legbar without a crest. It is already a DQ - because the breed is listed as crested and lacking that characteristic will DQ (disqualify) the bird in a show. But sometimes that factor got overlooked.

It is helpful to all of us that you brought this up-- because it is a reality in the breed. Everyone who hatches them needs to work to improve the breed IMO - -- People need to know that the breed is a work in progress. Since every CL in the USA came from GFF - that isn't an automatic ticket to good Cream Legbar -- It is a bit like a canvas and a box of paints -- but it is also up to everyone of us that raises the breed to raise the standard as we do so. There have actually been enough generations of CL in the USA -- GFF released the first ones in late 2011 - There have been enough generations that we shouldn't be seeing crestlessness IMO.

What do others think about this issue? I'm congratulating Debs55 for bringing it up for discussion - and I am a hard-liner on this one because I think it is very important.

 

[Debs55]

Once again, I agree with Chicken picken.  BTW The egg is a beautiful color!!!  And the breeder's birds look nice

- however, it would have been nice if the breeder had told you that your chickens would be crestless.    

If you get a crested rooster with two cresting genes--- the chicks you hatch should have crests - and you could sell them as Cream Legbars - but it would be, IMO very forthright to tell any buyers that they all would have only 1 cresting gene.

  Some folks only want autosexed chickens so if they live in the city and no roosters are allowed - they won't get a rooster by mistake.. and they will get blue eggs, for that market your chicks should be fine. Some people want to hatch eggs that they get from their Cream Legbars and if anyone were to buy from you - with that in mind--- they should have full disclosure.  --   

Wouldn't it have been very nice if the breeder that you bought from had gone to the trouble of getting crests on the chicks that would hatch from the eggs sold?  you wouldn't be facing this issue if that had been the case. 

In the next version of the SOP - it will probably state in the wording that it is a DQ to have a Cream Legbar without a crest.  It is already a DQ - because the breed is listed as crested and lacking that characteristic will DQ (disqualify) the bird in a show.   But sometimes that factor got overlooked. 

It is helpful to all of us that you brought this up-- because it is a reality in the breed.  Everyone who hatches them needs to work to improve the breed IMO -    --  People need to know that the breed is a work in progress.  Since every CL in the USA came from GFF - that isn't an automatic ticket to good Cream Legbar --   It is a bit like a canvas and a box of paints -- but it is also up to everyone of us that raises the breed to raise the standard as we do so.  There have actually been enough generations of CL in the USA -- GFF released the first ones in late 2011 -  There have been enough generations that we shouldn't be seeing crestlessness IMO. 

What do others think about this issue?  I'm congratulating Debs55 for bringing it up for discussion - and I am a hard-liner on this one because I think it is very important.  

Oh yes if I do choose to sell I would be very upfront and would probably sell them as autosexing blue eggers, I messegd the breeder with pictures of the birds and in response she sent me pictures of her birds with crests so now I am confussed as to why all 6 of mine are crestless. I really love the colors on my roosters and would be said to see them go so of course I now have this little moral delimia. I have also asked the breeder if she has any nicely crested males for sale, however, I am still not sure if that would be a good option because it would still be likely that he only has one copy of the crested gene. Also I find it funny that I post on here and the first thing yall call out about is them being crested, this breeder has been posting ads on facebook with picutures for months and the crested vs. uncrested debate has not come up once

 

[chicken pickin]

Oh yes if I do choose to sell I would be very upfront and would probably sell them as autosexing blue eggers, I messegd the breeder with pictures of the birds and in response she sent me pictures of her birds with crests so now I am confussed as to why all 6 of mine are crestless. I really love the colors on my roosters and would be said to see them go so of course I now have this little moral delimia. I have also asked the breeder if she has any nicely crested males for sale, however, I am still not sure if that would be a good option because it would still be likely that he only has one copy of the crested gene. Also I find it funny that I post on here and the first thing yall call out about is them being crested, this breeder has been posting ads on facebook with picutures for months and the crested vs. uncrested debate has not come up once

That is good of you that you will be upfront about the flaws in your birds. That is very important as a breeder to know your birds flaws and to let others know what they might be so they can be aware of some of the things they may need to work on also.

Looking at the picture, to me at least, it appears that the male CL breeder might be crestless. I could be wrong though.

I also find it funny that in other discussions on other forums that crested vs uncrested hasn't been discussed either

the crest is a very distinguishing feature of the Cream Legbar, they ALL should be crested.


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[tdhenson86]

New babies that hatched yesterday. Is this a male and a female? Three have yellow dots on their heads. Four don't.

Looks like a male and female to me.

 

[ChicKat]

Looks like a male and female to me.

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[Debs55]

ok a little update for you all, I have been in contact with the breeder and shared the information regarding crests that I have learned from here. She responded saying a few of her birds are crested but most are not and in the pictures she sent me I see no crested roosters and the crests on the hens are super tiny. I informed her that "we" should not/could not rightfully sell these birds/eggs as cream CRESTED legbars when the likelihood of them being crested in reality is very very slim. She responded by saying that is why she does not charge $50 a chick and that people should know from the price that these birds are not show quality. When I asked why she did not show the non crested birds in her ads as well, she did not reply. All of this took place in a private message because of course I did not want to publicly call someone out, that is not my place

However, in more positive news I now know what I am doing (kind of!). I know what I need to work on and I know the good points of my birds and am very excited to work on this project. I hope to one day be able to breed to the standard and who knows that may come in the near future. I would also like to publicly say thank you to all of you for helping me and to the people who have offered me hatching eggs from their stock. This should be a fun adventure and maybe I will be able to pay back the favor and help another newbie along the way

 

[BuffyBugSlayer]

However, in more positive news I now know what I am doing (kind of!). I know what I need to work on and I know the good points of my birds and am very excited to work on this project. I hope to one day be able to breed to the standard and who knows that may come in the near future. I would also like to publicly say thank you to all of you for helping me and to the people who have offered me hatching eggs from their stock. This should be a fun adventure and maybe I will be able to pay back the favor and help another newbie along the way

Well, I think this is awesome! I am glad that you are going to work with your birds. I think they are worth working with and I don't think it will be too difficult to get the crests back if you are able to get a nice crested rooster. I am also happy to see that they came from such nicely colored eggs. I was worried about that as well.

I also think it is interesting that the crestless issue isn't being discussed elsewhere. To me they just don't look like CL without the crest. I don't really look at other forums (because this one is so fantastic!) so I haven't noticed it but it should be discussed. It just seems really odd to me that people are selling them without crests.

 

[Debs55]

Well, I think this is awesome! I am glad that you are going to work with your birds. I think they are worth working with and I don't think it will be too difficult to get the crests back if you are able to get a nice crested rooster. I am also happy to see that they came from such nicely colored eggs. I was worried about that as well.

I also think it is interesting that the crestless issue isn't being discussed elsewhere. To me they just don't look like CL without the crest. I don't really look at other forums (because this one is so fantastic!) so I haven't noticed it but it should be discussed. It just seems really odd to me that people are selling them without crests.

I have never heard about it either or read about it in the research I have done. Im not sure why it isn't discussed. Maybe people just assume they all have crests lol