Creating a new breed

[chicken_boy_Kurt]

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Question- What ever happened to being nice on the forum?

I was just saying that there should be more of an attempt to save breeds from extinction. To save a lot of our heritage. The HERITAGE breeds. Just crossing backyard birds in an attempt to get a pretty mutt is fine. But backyard flock owners aren't really gonna be serious enough to create enough breeding by breeding birds through many generations. Creating new colors is okay in the more popular breeds, such as OEG. The only reason I said not to create new colors is because if you would try that with a rarer breed you'd be diluting the breed's bloodlines more. Possibly too much.

Now remember, these are all my OPINIONS. Don't attack me for having an opinion different than yours. Play nicely.

 

[walkswithdog]

Kurt, it just happens to be possible to do both.

Delawares are my primary flock. Having heritage and breeder birds and hatchery gave me a nice comparison. I can see that the heritage birds are a good start and the breeder birds better than hatchery. They lay well, they forage, they convert food well, grow quickly with a decent breast early. A better dual purpose project than my partridge rocks.

All the other stuff (sizzles,silkies, seramas, is just projects for amusement value as much as anything.

Deciding that people shouldn't create new, because the old needs preserving is just not feasible and ignores the practical nature of exploring new breeds.

Especially new crosses of newly available breeds to perhaps crowd out reliance on hatchery meat birds in favor of a sustainable meat bird, more like colored rangers and for greater suitability to specific climates.

I started with Partridge Rocks. The project went south, the Roos could not produce good pencilling and feathers that were not light shafted - the hazards of a hatchery start. I'm keeping a few to start again, with both show and probably some Delaware blood to them for size, growth rate - the breed lost any dual nature when it went to hatchery birds primarily. And the show birds have lost egg production, broodiness and fertility. Not good.

While keeping heritage breeds alive is a GREAT goal. You yourself have pointed out that few backyard keepers are going to keep numbers that would have any real purpose/value in a breed wide preservation.

Few producing enough numbers to EVER influence a breed.

Want to fix heritage breeds, try finding a way to make hatcheries actually meet a standard and not cross breed at a whim to increase production. It would have more effect on what are believed to be purebreds in the US than any other act.

Small dedicated breeders actually are responsible for the creation or resurrection of many beautiful colors and breeds, which often started with just one man's whim. I'd hate to lose that creativity and opportunity.

But if you felt picked on or attacked, I apologize.

 

[Dustin Biery]

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Very well said!

 

[cubalaya]

the delaware is a recent mix breed ,1940, using the barred rock and the new hampshire red. the barred rock was a mixed breed using dominiques and javas. the new hampshire was an inbred rhode island red. why cant we in the year 2009 , create a new breed using 2 or 3 breeds of purebred chickens? wasnt that how the buckeye was created? jersey giant?

 

[canada-goose]

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You are right. I would like to breed something rare as well. Still, I have a great desire to create my own breed.
So far, I agree with pretty much everyone here!

 

[chicken_boy_Kurt]

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That's how all breeds were created.

 

[muscovy94]

Someone on here needs to breed a Jersey Giant to a serema lol!

 

[walkswithdog]

I'm actually having one heck of a good laugh watching my silkie serama roo try to mate a delaware pullet... can you IMAGINE??? toooooo funny.

 

[cubalaya]

so, chickenboy, if thats how all breeds were created then they are all mixed breeds except for the jungle fowl. or if they breed true to type,[size, egg color, feathering] then they are a seperate breed. is the cornishx a breed? how about a sexlink? they dont breed true. they are a hybrid.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

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CORRECT:
All breeds are a mixture of several different breeds together. After several generations, the breeders reached the desired look and the birds began breeding true.

or if they breed true to type,[size, egg color, feathering] then they are a seperate breed.

is the cornishx a breed?

No, CornishX is a strain of fowl.

how about a sexlink? they dont breed true. they are a hybrid.

True, but if that were the case, all birds would be hybrids. Hybrid is an overly used term. To me, hybrid is the interbreeding of species, not breeds.​