Creating Crele Colored Chickens

[MysteryChicken]

I have worked with and bred Crele Pendesencas. None of the birds you've produced are Crele. Not even "Project Crele" birds. There is nothing wrong with crossing various birds to make interesting mixed breed crosses. But there's simply no point in calling them something they aren't and then getting upset/berating those people who are trying to teach you by giving you the knowledge to actually accomplish what you say you're trying to accomplish. If you're just wanting to make cute chickens then just make a thread saying that's what you're doing and post photos of the interesting babies. Calling them something they aren't, arguing incessantly with people who have vastly more experience with genetics, and obsessively updating/bumping your own posts is just frustrating and causes people to ignore the post/thread.

I was posting updates for people who were actually interested, unlike you.

 

[The Moonshiner]

The labeling everything "crele" is what I am not agreeing with on your posts.
I love genetics and crossing different patterns and I think in that sense we have a lot in common.
I'm working on different crele patterns myself and I think that makes what your saying get to me and probably the same goes for @ColtHandorf.
When you work with a specific pattern and see someone posting incorrectly about a pattern you know it makes you want to help correct them.
IDK why you don't just say I'm crosses birds to experiment with different barred patterns instead of insisting on calling everything with barring as crele.

 

[Frazzemrat1]

My understanding, after a quick 10 min google search, is that Crele is barring + partridge. Please, somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
The thing is, OP, you're crossing barring with buff and nothing I've seen that had partridge. Thus, you will get a barred bird with gold or buff coloring mixed in. In other words, a gold barred bird. Without the partridge in this mix, there's no crele, its just barred.
Now, I'm not a geneticist, I'm not even a breeder. I haven't bred chickens, and I've only had my flock for 2 years. That said, I've tried very hard to learn the correct terminology, learn the correct characteristics and the terms for them, so I'm learning how to identify breeds as well as gender, and the right way to identify gender. This, even though I've gotten blasted on the BYC FB page for using proper terminology.
Its all learning... accepting information and absorbing it. Using proper terms, accepting the advice of those who have more experience and knowledge.

 

[nicalandia]

My understanding, after a quick 10 min google search, is that Crele is barring + partridge. Please, somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Crele outside of the EU is e+(wildtype, duckwing) plus sex linked barring, in many parts of the European Union where e+ is not common crele have been created using partridge instead, the roosters look idential(e+,eb are both duckwing pattern) but the females look different

 

[nicalandia]

The labeling everything "crele" is what drives me nuts with your posts..

Just let it be, I lost my educator badge a few years ago to an argument like that..!

 

[The Moonshiner]

Just let it be, I lost my educator badge a few years ago to an argument like that..!

You're right...
I've been ......

for days. My arms are tired and it's so bloated it's gonna burst soon.

 

[AlishaRichard]

So the Sire is Buff Orp/Barred Rock cross and the Dame is a Buff Orp/Australorp cross?




From the looks of the pics, I can confirm that the chick is actually a male(cockerel), as for why not crele? Crele is a term that has been asigned to a phenotype(looks) that is based on the wild type e+(think about black breasted red or gold duckwing), the chick on the picture is based on Extended black(E) and is most likely E/eWh(Extended black from Barred Rock or From Black Australorp and eWh is Wheaten from Buff orp side) but she could also be E/E(Extended black from Barred Rock and From Black Australorp) the male chick has barring and most likely will develop to be a solid black barred rooster(dark barring) with some gold leakage on breast/shoulders when adult

Give me the name of the books your reading please. I am trying to learn chicken genetics and boy it is not easy.
I was also going to say cockerel bc anything with a barred gene the males will have a spot on the head if I am not mistaken.

 

[nicalandia]

Give me the name of the books your reading please. I am trying to learn chicken genetics and boy it is not easy.

I started with Poultry Breeding and Genetics by R.D Crawford, but it's quite an expensive book.

Please take a moment to visit this page: http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=94072#Post94072

 

[AlishaRichard]

I started with Poultry Breeding and Genetics by R.D Crawford, but it's quite an expensive book.

Please take a moment to visit this page: http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=94072#Post94072

Your the best. Thank you so much. Most of my birds are endangered so I plan to breed them when they are a bit older and I am more educated. I want to breed to standard. We bought our farm four years ago so are just getting started up. Thanks again.

 

[nicalandia]

Your the best. Thank you so much. Most of my birds are endangered so I plan to breed them when they are a bit older and I am more educated. I want to breed to standard. We bought our farm four years ago so are just getting started up. Thanks again.

I wonder what are the breeds you have that are endangered? I have often pondered on the merits of breeding endangered chicken breeds, perhaps they are not fancy enough(like silkies which is all they have going form them as they have awful production traits) or not productive enough. But that could be said about many breeds that are not endangered like the OEG, which basically look like the RJF ancestor and are not really productive enough to warrant their keep beside their game nature