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Crele?

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by TurtleFeathers, Jan 5, 2010.

  1. TurtleFeathers

    TurtleFeathers Fear the Turtle!

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    Hi all -

    Can anyone tell me the genetics behind "crele"? Barring over what color?

    Or better yet, breeding "what" to "what" would produce crele offspring? Seems to me I read where it was barring over BBR - but when I put those two into the genetics calculator, it doesn't give me crele.

    Thanks so much -
     
  2. Henk69

    Henk69 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    A true crele is a partridge or a light brown with the barring gene B added.
     
  3. flyingmonkeypoop

    flyingmonkeypoop Overrun With Chickens

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    But not the common US partridge (pencilled). I have gotten crele birds by crossing barred roosters with black breasted red or light brown hens. I dont think it is considered true crele but it looks like crele.
     
  4. Sonoran Silkies

    Sonoran Silkies Flock Mistress

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    I've always been told that true crele is BBR plus barring: e+/e+ B/B or B/-
     
  5. SunAngel

    SunAngel Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Can the roo be BBR over a barred hen? Or does that change the outcome?
     
  6. amazondoc

    amazondoc Cracked Egghead

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    How about wheaten plus barring? Would you just call this golden cuckoo, or what? I have a cockerel that came from a breeder who had golden cuckoos, wheatens, and BCs. Its hatch down was yellow, but it is barred now. Not sure what to call him!
     
  7. Vcomb

    Vcomb Chillin' With My Peeps

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    when Henk said partridge the color he was referring to was what we call b.b. red in the U.S.


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  8. blackdotte

    blackdotte Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Crele is a Game colour, it is made by a combination of Barring & (gold)Duckwing . Black Breasted Red is a male colour/pattern common to ER Birchen crow winged birds; eWh Wheaten & eb Brown duckwinged birds. The latter make pseudo Crele looking birds.
    Crele is an autosexing bird that can be made following this guide, substitute Barred Rock with a Cuckoo or barred bird of choice ( this depends on the breed you are wanting to make ie hardfeather Cuckoo OEG, softfeather BRock,Cuckoo Leghorn etc) and substitute Brown Leghorn for Partridge OEG,Welsummer or Light Brown Leghorn etc.
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    In OEG the darker heterozygous male e+/e+ B/b+ are shown as Crele, as are the hens. The lighter homozygous e+/e+ B/B males are called Mackerels, there are no light Mackerel hens, as all hens are hemizygous e+/e+ B/-.
    Silver Crele can be made using a Silver Duckwing hen.
    David
     
    Last edited: Jan 5, 2010
  9. Chris09

    Chris09 Circle (M) Ranch

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    I got this information from:

    Old English Game Bantams as Bred and Shown in the United States.

    Catlin (1991) describes how he made his own strain of Creles by crossing two Crele males with two unrelated Black Breasted Red females. From the mating all the sons were dark
    (intermediate) Creles and all the daughters pure Creles. By crossing first generation males and females he extracted some pure Crele males to go with the pure Crele females already obtained.
    Wolf (1991):

    SIRE.....................DAM..................SONS.............................................DAUGHTERS
    Crele....................Crele............100% Crele.......................................100% Crele
    Crele....................B.B. Red......100% Intermediate...........................100% Crele
    Intermediate.......Crele...........50% Crele & 50% Intermediate.........50% Crele & 50% B.B. Red
    Intermediate.......B.B. Red......50% Intermediate & 50% B.B. Red....50% Crele & 50% B.B. Red
    B.B. Red..............Crele............100% Intermediate...........................100% B.B. Red

    Intermediate
    In genetic term an "intermediate" male is heterozygous for barring (Bb). Females carry but one sex chromosome so a B- female would be called hemizygous; a BB (Black Breasted) male would be homozygous for barring.

    Chris
     
  10. Sonoran Silkies

    Sonoran Silkies Flock Mistress

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    Quote:A barred hen will give the gene to only her sons. A barred cock will give it to all his offspring if he has two copies, to half his offspring if he has only one--gender will play no role in which half inherit from him.
     

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