d'anver lovers,discuss the breed and post some pics!

[Backwoods Bntms]

JJ- your little lavender chicks are adorable. Is there any possible way they could carry silver? They almost look like silver lavender quail.

They are out of a lavander quail pullet and a split silver quail roo who turns out is also split to lavender( I didn't know) I was planning getting black chicks split to lavender to work on lavender quail with next year. I guess some times you get lucky.

 

[NanaKat]

Here is something really neat. Remember my lavander quail pullet I got through some gentic fluke. Well she started laying so I paired her with my silver quail roo that only has one silver gene, to make some more lavander quail next year. Hear is the neat part seems my roo is split to lav cause here is what hatched.



Then there is the blacks that came from the same roo and a white pullet. Here is their offspring.



I think the lottery birds are now coronations and silver lavander duck wings. And I think I am a year ahead on my lavander quail project.

jj

That's too cool! Those are great looking chicks. Congratulations on winning the lottery!

Well, my sale fell through, no fault of the buyer's, just one of those unexpected things happened to her. So, I reopened my ad. She called just as I was separating them out in prep for her arrival.

Oh, well. Poor Purple Princess Shadow will have to put up with hormonal Ace for a bit longer. She is not amused in the least.

I've got a lady coming to pick up two roos tomorrow. One is a Silver Laced Wyandotte and one is a Blue SLW. Hoping she doesn't back out. Then I'm taking 8 blue roos to a friend who has a buyer. This time of year and the costs of feed are throwing a kink into any livestock/poultry sales..

good to hear, seems it's been the same for everyone. Yep I may have miss typed a bit too, but that's along the same lines as what I was trying to get at JJ, with the dietary stuff and all. Yes they all get the same stuff, but these few may or seem to maybe have some sort of difficeny that doesnt allow them to process the stuff they need from it. More than likely yes, something that could be traced back to line or prolonged inbreeding.

Also about your chick post, yep seems to all look that way with what you got there. That's great, save me a few years work and I'll just buy some from you when you're done haha!! But seriously keep it up!

and like Cynthia said, do continue to up date us on them, I'm especially curious about the duckwing part, hope you're right on them, that would be awesome. Been wanting to take my bb red to lavender, think that would look awesome, but got to finish a few before I start more.

Along with the crossbeak, I wonder about how line and in-breeding affects "failure to thrive". I have one Columbian Wyandotte hen that when I hatch her eggs from my best roo, the babies make it to about 6 weeks and begin to fail. They are half siblings. I've tried using more protein, calcium and Red cell along with Polyvisol to boost their diet. I loose about half of their chicks...the ones with the best color and conformation. So when I switched to another bloodline roo, the chicks were fine.

 

[Cetawin]

NanaKat...the combination of that hen and that roo can be a problem. There have been cases where a particularly pairing result in eggs quiting, deformaties or failure to thrive. I read an article once that discussed sterility also coming from certain genetic pairings. I know this is true in horses and dogs so I could believe it with birds as well.


So...I see JJ is trying to hide from the Hairy Legged Horde....well that name change shall not save you dear man...they are still watching you. How is the Kentucky Leg Fungus coming at your place? *snicker* My Horde has already infected Georgia via telepathy.

 

[Backwoods Bntms]

So...I see JJ is trying to hide from the Hairy Legged Horde....well that name change shall not save you dear man...they are still watching you. How is the Kentucky Leg Fungus coming at your place? *snicker* My Horde has already infected Georgia via telepathy.

The Fungus is among us. So far it is the large fowi variety. The d'Anvers are not infected.

 

[Cetawin]

Oooohh I like that variety of fungus...very nice.

 

[speckledhen]

Oooohh I like that variety of fungus...very nice.

Me, too. Very nice looking birds, JJ.


Hey, if I hatched eggs from one of the lavender Coch'Anvers (porcelain D'Anver x lavender Cochin), sired by Aubrey, my porcelain D'Anver male, what color would the chicks be? Lavender? Would they be mottled? They'd be 3/4 Porcelain D'Anver and 1/4 Lav Cochin, of course.

 

[Backwoods Bntms]

***I didn't read very well, the following works it you crossed one of the chicks with a porcelain roo.

Cyn--According to the calculator you would get Porcelains, Solid lavendar, mottled lavendar, and lavendar isabel columbians

18.75% Porcelain
25% Solid Lavendar
25% Mottled Lavendar
18.75% lavendar isabel columbian
.The last 12.5% will be incomplete porcelains and columbians.

This is based on the original Cochin being a black bird with a double dose of Lavendar, but they ain't always what they look like.

If you crossed the chicks it would be this

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

JJ
I have to agree, they have a quail look to them, but the head throws me a bit ( your lavender chciks that is) The face is pretty pale for a normal quail pattern, the silver quail on the other hand would work into that face color. BUT I havent done laveder in quail yet, not sure of it's effect on the normally tan face down of a normal quail chick. Will just have to wait and see. I have hatched several lavender silvers and they do look similar, but dont have the head V on them, that's usually ( for me at least) a duckwing or columbian project pattern. Very interested to see what you end up with on them.


Nana,

Inbreeding for sure can effect the survival rate. Line breeding, if done correctly, shouldnt all that much. But if you prolong it with all the same blood lines and never add any new stock to it, then to me, line breeding is still just fancy inbreeding. So with time, I feel even it can effect them.

Kristen,

That's interesting to hear on yours. Mine, I had the opposite effect. The mottled were throwing a few each year, but after I started outcrossing to make the dun, blue and lavender mottled, I started seeing a major drop in the cross beaks. Like you said, it may have just been genetic combos though. Your outcross may have also carried recessive genes that would effect it and made it a more dominate trait. Mine my have gone the other way and made it more recessive if the outcrossed birds didnt carry and genes for it.

 

[KristenG]

I have accidentally hatched lavender quails before. My black line had recessive self blue in it and I never bothered to breed it out (which is where my current Self Blues just came from), but I did outcross it to my Quails and must have transferred the Self Blue gene in the process. At any rate in 2006 I hatched two Lavender Quails and I seem to remember thinking that they were oddly colored Splash Quails at the time until they feathered out and I realized I was dealing with the Self Blue gene. I do not remember clearly now, but I thought they had pale yellow faces - much like the color on the head of Porcelain chicks. That is why I am inclined to say jj's chicks are silver lavender quails, but as I said my memory is a bit foggy on them. At the time I didn't want to deal with them at all (no space), so I gave them away. I imagine jj's chicks will be adorable and I am looking forward to seeing if my theory is correct.
KR

 

[speckledhen]

JJ, then what would a Lavender Coch'Anver to a Lavender Coch'anver produce? All lav mottleds? Both carry the mottling gene from porcelain daddy. Mom is just a hatchery lavender Cochin, so no idea of her actual genetics.