Dapple Daschund Question

[Redyre Rotties]

This is what you get with double merle Doxies. Think hard about breeding ANY dapple dachshund if you are not WELL EDUCATED about this issue. This dog has no eyes, and is almost certainly deaf as well.

http://www.dachshund.org/article_double_dapple.html

 

[hollyclyff]

Redeyre is right. I used to breed and show Dachshunds. Dapple is just the term used to describe the merle gene in Dachshunds. I wouldn't touch a dapple to dapple breeding with a ten foot pole. Too many risks. But, that said, I do know someone who is a very experienced breeder and that I otherwise consider to be responsible who has done this breeding. She says she didn't have any problems and her dogs are beautiful and apparently normal. According to people who have had success with it, if you REALLY know the lines you are working with, it can be done, but I surely would not advise it. Especially for an inexperienced breeder. And honestly I think that maybe they just got lucky. The Dachshund Club of America membership voted a few years ago to remove the description of the double dapple from the standard in order not to seem to condone it.

And yes, in red dogs especially, the dapples are not always apparent. I personally wouldn't breed any red dog that had a dapple parent to a dapple because you may be doing a dapple to dapple breeding without even knowing it.

 

[lorieMN]

dachshund pedigrees are so screwed up you really have to make a best guess on any of them..I have seen DD out of two reg red parents,,I know for a fact as I owned this dog,,the dapple to dapple can make for some really cool looking dogs,but they can have problems,not all will,,if you want the dapple with large patches of white just breed your dapple to a piebald,,totally different gene and you get the real cool coat patterns without risk to pups.

 

[hollyclyff]

,if you want the dapple with large patches of white just breed your dapple to a piebald,,totally different gene and you get the real cool coat patterns without risk to pups.

This is considered a no-no by every responsible breeder I've known. But the piebald pattern is controversial all by itself anyway. Plus piebald is recessive which means unless the dapple is carrying piebald the puppies won't exhibit the piebald pattern anyway.

I have seen DD out of two reg red parents

This can happen because dapple often doesn't really show up on red dogs and the dogs are registered as red because they appear to be solid red. The only way to know the dog is dapple would be genetic testing for the merle gene. The same can happen if the dog is also piebald. The white spotting can hide the dapple pattern.​

 

[lorieMN]

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This is considered a no-no by every responsible breeder I've known. But the piebald pattern is controversial all by itself anyway. Plus piebald is recessive which means unless the dapple is carrying piebald the puppies won't exhibit the piebald pattern anyway.

I have seen DD out of two reg red parents

This can happen because dapple often doesn't really show up on red dogs and the dogs are registered as red because they appear to be solid red. The only way to know the dog is dapple would be genetic testing for the merle gene. The same can happen if the dog is also piebald. The white spotting can hide the dapple pattern.​

piebald is perfectly safe to cross on dapple,,aussie breeders do it all the time,as well as border collie breeders,collies breeders,just to name a few,,nobody thinks twice about breeding a full colored BC to a merle BC..white spoting wont hide the dapple pattern,only the double dapple pattern,you dont get "white" merle spots on a single dapple,,the merle gene lightens the base color,so black becomes shades of gray,,the DD will lighten even further,that is where you get the "white" areas from a DD.

 

[hollyclyff]

If a dog has extensive white spotting it certainly can hide dapple markings. Dappling doesn't always cover the entire dog. Sometimes a dog will only have a small area of dappling and if a white spot happens to fall in that same area, then the dapple will not show. I'm just commenting on how it is in Dachshunds. Combining the two patterns is very much frowned upon in the breed among reputable breeders. From what I have been told, the breeds you mention do not have the same type of piebald that is present in Dachshunds. They have what is referred to as Irish spotting which causes white on the feet, tail, and a white collar. Piebald in Dachshunds sometimes results in white markings covering almost the entire body. But I'm not a genetics expert and I haven't studied those breeds at all. That's just what I've been told by other breeders.

 

[aggieterpkatie]

Oh my gosh, if that lady doesn't know about the dapple problem, she should NOT be breeding dogs. Even I knew about the issue, and I don't even *own* dachshunds!

 

[aggieterpkatie]

And, it might just be a typo in the title, but I generally believe that anyone who breeds a dog should know how to properly spell that breed!

 

[jbowyer01]

Yes its bad! I have two doxies (daschunds). Both have hearing and vision issues. Jojo is almost blind and is deaf (she is trained with sign language, you have to get very close to her for her to see your hands). Bocephus has vision issues. I adore them both and both of them are rescues.

 

[jen5680]

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When you say that lady I am assuming that you are talking about me. I am sure that lots of people have not heard of this
problem and when I did i posted so that i could find out about it. There is no need to be so rude about it.