Dark of Night, eyes closed-"Big Jake"

[Wyorp Rock]

I still wonder if he needs that ivermectin? It's about the only thing he didn't get.

I think he should drink more water, but wonder if the Amoxicillin in the water discourages him from that? Perhaps there's a bad taste? You know, you just guess.. does he even need an antibiotic? 4 days current Amoxicillin.

And, I'm not sure if the 'crop is emptying', or exactly how you check for that? I mean, his digestive system seems to work fine and he will eat plenty, may even be regaining weight.

What would you be treating with the Ivermectin?

What Amoxicillin do you have? Is it tablets, capsules, powdered mix? Generally Amoxicillin comes in tablets or capsules and given orally and dosed by weight. Amoxicillin dose is 57mg per pound of weight given orally twice a day. I have never been able to get Amoxicillin tablet or powder from a capsule to dissolve/mix well in water. It may be bitter too, if he's not drinking the medicated water, then there's no benefit.

His crop is located on the right side of his breast, you should be able to feel that when he's been eating. Check it tonight when he goes to roost, then feel of it again first thing in the morning before he's had anything to eat/drink, the crop should feel flat. What we're looking for is that his digestive system is functioning fairly well. A crop (the pouch that hold food) can become boggy or sour. Sometimes the gizzard can be impacted as well. A crop issue can cause a lot of problems, but is usually a symptom of something else going on.

The closing of the eye(s), the lethargy and missing the bowl sounds neurological. Have you noticed if his eyes are misshaped or turning grey? Has he been in a fight or suffered head trauma. Have you added new birds within the last 30 days.
Marek's disease always comes to mind when a bird is having issues with seeing/missing the intended target. He's 3 yrs, so a bit older than you would normally see an outbreak, BUT it's still a possibility.

The Poultry Cell has vitamin E and B1 which can help support neurological symptoms, but they are not a fix all. If you can't find that, then you can use human vitamins, just look at WalMart, CVS, etc. Get 400IU Vitamin E and B-Complex. Give him 1 Vit E gel capsule a day and 1/4 tablet B-Complex.

 

[Cobra96]

What would you be treating with the Ivermectin?

What Amoxicillin do you have? Is it tablets, capsules, powdered mix? Generally Amoxicillin comes in tablets or capsules and given orally and dosed by weight. Amoxicillin dose is 57mg per pound of weight given orally twice a day. I have never been able to get Amoxicillin tablet or powder from a capsule to dissolve/mix well in water. It may be bitter too, if he's not drinking the medicated water, then there's no benefit.

His crop is located on the right side of his breast, you should be able to feel that when he's been eating. Check it tonight when he goes to roost, then feel of it again first thing in the morning before he's had anything to eat/drink, the crop should feel flat. What we're looking for is that his digestive system is functioning fairly well. A crop (the pouch that hold food) can become boggy or sour. Sometimes the gizzard can be impacted as well. A crop issue can cause a lot of problems, but is usually a symptom of something else going on.

The closing of the eye(s), the lethargy and missing the bowl sounds neurological. Have you noticed if his eyes are misshaped or turning grey? Has he been in a fight or suffered head trauma. Have you added new birds within the last 30 days.
Marek's disease always comes to mind when a bird is having issues with seeing/missing the intended target. He's 3 yrs, so a bit older than you would normally see an outbreak, BUT it's still a possibility.

The Poultry Cell has vitamin E and B1 which can help support neurological symptoms, but they are not a fix all. If you can't find that, then you can use human vitamins, just look at WalMart, CVS, etc. Get 400IU Vitamin E and B-Complex. Give him 1 Vit E gel capsule a day and 1/4 tablet B-Complex.

 

[Cobra96]

My thought with the ivermectin was possibility of some worm infestation?
The Amoxicillin comes from a fishbiotic capsule, 500mg capsules, opened and judged right at that 57, twice a day and veering less, rather than more. And it does not dissolve well.
There is no other Amoxicillin around here, at all. Idea was if there was some underlying infection, it might be susceptible to Amoxicillin.
No trauma ( to be seen or suspected), his decline was over two days, give or take a few hours, eventually coming to a stop and simply sitting still and not on his feet.
Meds were then started, as he would hardly eat at all, nor drink. ( Mites treated, many fell off and he began to eat more and more often). Eyes began to open more often, facing him, left eye first, then right.
No noticeable discoloration, eyes, common orange but had never really examined eye lid color when closed, but his lids appear a lighter orange, than the orange inside the eye.
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[Cobra96]

Well, if it worked, the last 'photo' is actually a video of the behavior and have to thank my daughter, Amanda, for the tech work getting this to you. Does any of this help?

 

[Cobra96]

What would you be treating with the Ivermectin?

What Amoxicillin do you have? Is it tablets, capsules, powdered mix? Generally Amoxicillin comes in tablets or capsules and given orally and dosed by weight. Amoxicillin dose is 57mg per pound of weight given orally twice a day. I have never been able to get Amoxicillin tablet or powder from a capsule to dissolve/mix well in water. It may be bitter too, if he's not drinking the medicated water, then there's no benefit.

His crop is located on the right side of his breast, you should be able to feel that when he's been eating. Check it tonight when he goes to roost, then feel of it again first thing in the morning before he's had anything to eat/drink, the crop should feel flat. What we're looking for is that his digestive system is functioning fairly well. A crop (the pouch that hold food) can become boggy or sour. Sometimes the gizzard can be impacted as well. A crop issue can cause a lot of problems, but is usually a symptom of something else going on.

The closing of the eye(s), the lethargy and missing the bowl sounds neurological. Have you noticed if his eyes are misshaped or turning grey? Has he been in a fight or suffered head trauma. Have you added new birds within the last 30 days.
Marek's disease always comes to mind when a bird is having issues with seeing/missing the intended target. He's 3 yrs, so a bit older than you would normally see an outbreak, BUT it's still a possibility.

The Poultry Cell has vitamin E and B1 which can help support neurological symptoms, but they are not a fix all. If you can't find that, then you can use human vitamins, just look at WalMart, CVS, etc. Get 400IU Vitamin E and B-Complex. Give him 1 Vit E gel capsule a day and 1/4 tablet B-Complex.

 

[Cobra96]

My thought with the ivermectin was possibility of some worm infestation?
The Amoxicillin comes from a fishbiotic capsule, 500mg capsules, opened and judged right at that 57, twice a day and veering less, rather than more. And it does not dissolve well.
There is no other Amoxicillin around here, at all. Idea was if there was some underlying infection, it might be susceptible to Amoxicillin.
No trauma ( to be seen or suspected), his decline was over two days, give or take a few hours, eventually coming to a stop and simply sitting still and not on his feet.
Meds were then started, as he would hardly eat at all, nor drink. ( Mites treated, many fell off and he began to eat more and more often). Eyes began to open more often, facing him, left eye first, then right.
No noticeable discoloration, eyes, common orange but had never really examined eye lid color when closed, but his lids appear a lighter orange, than the orange inside the eye.

 

[Cobra96]

Wyorp?
If you have an email, I could send you a video of Jake eating this morning, walking and eye views and tried to post it here, but site doesn't let you. Ill try to send a couple pictures here as well.

 

[Cobra96]

Wyrop, Another pic of Jake,,

 

[Cobra96]

Wyrop,
A third pic, before feeding. Eyes closed.
He 'wakes up', as in earlier shown pics above. Eyes open part way and feeds pretty aggressively.
He ate the whole bowl of eggs, in first pictures.. And then some starter chick feed and drank small amount of water.
I note, after several pulls of water, he sort of holds his beak open, I note something of a 'strain', then closes normally, but maybe that's just typical? Except he simply lowers his head after getting presumably 'full' and sleeps and wants no more feed till hours later.

 

[Cobra96]

I should add a great thanks. I know this could be a bad outcome and just hope it isn't.