de-worming chickens with goat safeguard(fenbendazole)

[Miss Lydia]

thanks for the reply. I was told there was no egg withdraw with the epernix. I used ivermectin pouron when I had the mites back in late summer. And didn't eat the eggs for 2 weeks.

 

[dawg53]

The ivomec injectable can be used in water. https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=4227674
Ivermectin pour on is what it is, a pour on not to be mixed in water. It's not given to cattle to drink, it is put on their skin to be absorbed through the skin.
Valbazen (albendazole) gets rid of tapeworms. http://jefferslivestock.com/valbazen-broad-spectrum-dewormer/camid/LIV/cp/16387/
You're incorrect about eprinex. There is no withdrawal period for egg or meat consumption. Dosage for eprinex is 1/2cc for standard size and 1/4cc for smaller chickens.
I recommend 14 days withdrawal period for all the other wormers except eprinex. Users choice whether to eat eggs/meat or not.
My dosages are correct regarding wormers.
Eprinex... http://www.jefferslivestock.com/eprinex-pour-on-for-cattle/camid/LIV/cp/17185/

 

[Miss Lydia]

okay dawg now that I have your attention, My question I found a tape worm again in the chickens poop I used wazine the last 2 times I wormed them for round worms, should I use valbazen now? They all free range and I don't understand why they keep getting these worms. Is it normal or do I have a problem?

 

[dawg53]

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Absolutely, use valbazen. Then in 14 days use Zimectrin Gold or the valbazen again.

 

[Tropical Chook]

I would say you must have a problem causing the worms, but I could be wrong. All I know is that I have never yet had a chicken with worms. Mine free range, they get feed, they get kitchen scraps, and they even get raw meat on occasions (beef and pork).

Hope you get the situation under control

 

[BlacksheepCardigans]

Ivomec injectable is not water-soluble. I've sat and talked with a Merial rep about this.

Ivermectin pour-on is just ivermectin in ethyl alcohol. It's miscible (infinitely soluble) in water. However, no good dosing recommendations can be found.

I find ZERO research on a safe dose of eprinomectin in poultry. Where are you getting your dosage information?

I know that the manufacturers say the -zoles work on tapeworm. Never found them to be correct. Every time I use them for tapes I'm disappointed. If I suspect tapes, they get praziquantel.

 

[Pine Grove]

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Just give it time, You will

 

[dawg53]

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I'm not going to discuss this, sorry. There are plenty of worming threads going back to 2007 up til present that you can read through and decide for yourself what wormers, what dosages and what withdrawal time you want to use, your choice. You'll discover that most are universal and these are from lifetime chicken owners. Since you're back into raising chickens again, I recommend that you should read up on it.

 

[BlacksheepCardigans]

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I've read just about all the worming threads. I lurked on the forum and read thousands of threads for two months before registering or posting for the first time. Some of the recommendations are based on good science, and others honestly seem to be guesses. I don't want to guess, and I don't want to hurt my animals or my family by doing the wrong thing.

Poultry research on wormers is extensive and easy to find. Every big ag school is working like the dickens to keep poultry performing at its top efficiency. The wonderful thing about that is you can look through the abstracts from Vet Parasitology and Parasitology Today and the Journal of Veterinary Pharmacology and all the others, and you can read Macrolytic Lactones in Antiparasitic Therapy (handily available on google books) and you can make sure your BYC recommended dose is supported by research. That's just the smart thing to do.

Eprinomectin (Eprinex) has a very short withdrawal time in cows because the way cows metabolize partitions it away from the milk. Even with a high dose it stays in the plasma and doesn't get to the milk. It's the only avermectin that cows manage to do this with. There's no research suggesting that chickens do the same partitioning (as far as I can tell there's no research on eprinomectin in chickens PERIOD), which means that we don't actually have any idea whether there's zero withdrawal time for eggs.

 

[dawg53]

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I've read just about all the worming threads. I lurked on the forum and read thousands of threads for two months before registering or posting for the first time. Some of the recommendations are based on good science, and others honestly seem to be guesses. I don't want to guess, and I don't want to hurt my animals or my family by doing the wrong thing.

Poultry research on wormers is extensive and easy to find. Every big ag school is working like the dickens to keep poultry performing at its top efficiency. The wonderful thing about that is you can look through the abstracts from Vet Parasitology and Parasitology Today and the Journal of Veterinary Pharmacology and all the others, and you can read Macrolytic Lactones in Antiparasitic Therapy (handily available on google books) and you can make sure your BYC recommended dose is supported by research. That's just the smart thing to do.

Eprinomectin (Eprinex) has a very short withdrawal time in cows because the way cows metabolize partitions it away from the milk. Even with a high dose it stays in the plasma and doesn't get to the milk. It's the only avermectin that cows manage to do this with. There's no research suggesting that chickens do the same partitioning (as far as I can tell there's no research on eprinomectin in chickens PERIOD), which means that we don't actually have any idea whether there's zero withdrawal time for eggs.

This is trully where you are uninformed. The only approved wormer in this country for poultry is wazine. There arnt any authorized dosages for poultry using off label products. Show me one that's approved for poultry other than wazine in this country. You stated poultry research is extensive and ongoing....show us what product and what dosages other than wazine is approved for poultry so that we can legally use it. As stated before and if you had read through previous threads going back to 2007...you wouldve seen dosages for all the wormers as recommended by lifetime experienced chicken owners as I previously stated. I have personally used most, if not all wormers that I've given recommeded dosages as I've seen on this forum from experienced chicken owners. My chickens are alive and well rest assured. When you see worms in your chickens poop, and they will eventually if their feet touch dirt, let me know. I'll be glad to help you and recommend a wormer with dosages. The alternative is to let your chickens die a slow death of starvation. Also, people on here ask what to give their chickens when they have worms. Why dont you give your worming recommendations and dosing recommendations: These people want answers and treatments...help them!