Dead chick with scabby sore?

[KLIL]

Hard decision but sounds like you did the right thing - something in the plumbing wasn't right clearly!

It couldn't live that way. It also would peck at you and freak out if you tried to pick it up. I felt terrible but it was the best thing for it.

 

[PouleChick]

It couldn't live that way. It also would peck at you and freak out if you tried to pick it up. I felt terrible but it was the best thing for it.

Sounds like it was probably in pain then, definitely the right call.

 

[chickendreams24]

Oh I agree if it was in pain and not improving then it was clearly needing to be given mercy.

My point of the post was that the photo showed poop below and around the vent where it would normally fall and get stuck in a chick with pasty butt. This poop can often run down towards the navel and cover it as well. If the poop was coming out of the navel then I wouldn't expect to see it up as high as the vent. I also wouldn't expect a chick to live that long if it did have poop coming from the navel. Does that make sense? My worry is that because the photo I previously quoted was mislabeled you may be thinking the chick was pooping from it's navel when in fact it was from it's vent.

 

[KikiLeigh02]

Please don't feel like you have to defend your decision. You did what you thought was best.

It seemed to be in pain to me. And wasn't going to the toliet from its butt but its navel to me thats an issue. Also, it was so swollen and big. It wasn't going to the toilet properly I don't think.

I just felt I shouldn't just let it suffer any longer.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

However in the above photo the arrow does not point to the vent but to the base of the tail. The vent is in the middle of the poop and is visible near the top as a pink thing on the edge of the poo.
Although clearly raw from the poop it looked like a normal vent.

Pasty butt is not contagious and the chicks were too young to have contracted and been over run with coccidiosis.

My worry is thatbecause the photo I previously quoted was mislabeled you may be thinking the chick was pooping from it's navel when in fact it was from it's vent.

I don't think any mentioned that these chicks had Coccidiosis? Coccidia are protozoa.
What was discussed in this thread was Omphalitis/Mushy chick disease or similar which is a bacterial infection in the yolk sac.

As for the photo - I re-posted that asking for clarification of what we were seeing. The vent is at the base of the tail in her photo. OP did confirm that fecal matter was coming from the Navel and has explained the 2X. Poop would naturally run down because of gravity.
And yes, a chick can live that long with fecal matter coming out of the navel, sadly, I have seen some people keep chicks alive for a week with an unabsorbed egg yolk or even intestines hanging out, the possibility is real.

Take a look at this photo, the yolk sac is not completely absorbed, but fecal matter is not coming out of it. Note the Vent is at the base of the tail

Photo reference

https://the-chicken-chick.com/pasty-butt-in-chicks-causestreatmen/

 

[KLIL]

I don't think any mentioned that these chicks had Coccidiosis? Coccidia are protozoa.
What was discussed in this thread was Omphalitis/Mushy chick disease or similar which is a bacterial infection in the yolk sac.

As for the photo - I re-posted that asking for clarification of what we were seeing. The vent is at the base of the tail in her photo. OP did confirm that fecal matter was coming from the Navel and has explained the 2X. Poop would naturally run down because of gravity.
And yes, a chick can live that long with fecal matter coming out of the navel, sadly, I have seen some people keep chicks alive for a week with an unabsorbed egg yolk or even intestines hanging out, the possibility is real.

Take a look at this photo, the yolk sac is not completely absorbed, but fecal matter is not coming out of it. Note the Vent is at the base of the tail

View attachment 1507581
Photo reference

https://the-chicken-chick.com/pasty-butt-in-chicks-causestreatmen/

It was definitely coming from the belly button. And wouldn't stand to poop only lay on its belly/chest pretty much. I am happy with the decision I made. I feel if I let it continue it was just being cruel. I was not happy at alm that it come to that but I do have the best interest of my pets at heart.

 

[KLIL]

Thank you for helping me understand all this. Thank you. I truly appreciated it. From the bottom of my heart. X

 

[chickendreams24]

I don't think any mentioned that these chicks had Coccidiosis? Coccidia are protozoa.
What was discussed in this thread was Omphalitis/Mushy chick disease or similar which is a bacterial infection in the yolk sac.

As for the photo - I re-posted that asking for clarification of what we were seeing. The vent is at the base of the tail in her photo. OP did confirm that fecal matter was coming from the Navel and has explained the 2X. Poop would naturally run down because of gravity.
And yes, a chick can live that long with fecal matter coming out of the navel, sadly, I have seen some people keep chicks alive for a week with an unabsorbed egg yolk or even intestines hanging out, the possibility is real.

Take a look at this photo, the yolk sac is not completely absorbed, but fecal matter is not coming out of it. Note the Vent is at the base of the tail

View attachment 1507581
Photo reference

https://the-chicken-chick.com/pasty-butt-in-chicks-causestreatmen/

Really?

While I appreciate you trying to set me straight as it were I am well aware of what was being discussed in the thread. I would not have posted had I no knowledge or experience there of.

If you go back and read the thread you will find that one or two people did mention that they thought this chick had diarrhea due to coccidiosis. Which is of course caused by coccidia a protozoa and treated with amprolium which is a vitamin blocker(I believe it's B6 but its been a while since I've read that)which doesn't kill the protozoa but allows the chick to produce an immune response to them while keeping them from reproducing.

As for the thread being about a "mushy" chick or chick with omphalitis I am well aware of that as well and have some experience with that in chicks that had problems hatching including two that fully ruptured their yolk sac in the egg and still managed to hatch. Unfortunately neither survived as the infection ran rampant.

I don't doubt that there are people that would allow a malformed chick to live and suffer to the end. Some people just don't know and some are unable to bring themselves to end the suffering. I am not one of those people and I agree with the decision to put this chick to rest.

I am well aware of where a chick's navel and vent are so photos of both were entirely unnecessary. I am also familiar with what an unabsorbed yolk looks like as well as how it can be attempted to allow the chick to finish absorbing it.

My post about the photo that was drawn on was merely to try and make sure the original poster understand that it may have not been drawn entirely accurately. For two of my chicks that suffered with omphalitis as their abdomens swelled their vent became further from the base of their tail and even healthy chicks it is not directly under the tail. I am also taking into account that these chicks are not day olds(by my count they are two weeks old today) I have never had a mushy chick live more than maybe 5-6 days, although after the first chick we cull in about three days if there's no improvement as I don't want them to suffer.

As to the OP saying the chick's poop was coming from the navel I have never seen this myself and have no doubt it could potentially happen. I just wanted to be sure they were 100% certain it was not the vent as mislabeled in the photo. I meant no disrespect and in no way meant to cause any problems by my eyes in the photo it looks as though the swollen abdomen has stretched the skin and there is no opening in the photo where the black arrow is. I believe the darker color in that area is in fact a shadow where the tail meets the body. The chick's tail is clearly visible and just below where the black arrow points the skin raises gently like it does above the vent of a chick or chicken. This is what appears to be the vent to me red and raw but the vent.

My only point was that if indeed the photo was accidentally mislabeled as I originally thought someone who was not as knowledgeable or familiar with chickens as you or I would simply repeat what you labelled as the navel in the photo thus calling what could be a vent a navel.

I have no doubt the chick was suffering from the omphalitis and the correct decision was made.

 

[chickendreams24]

Oh no Have you considered coccidosis? Can you get the meds in Oz? Just thinking if it keeps doing runny poos it could be that and it is just making the butt messy rather than pasty butt?

 

[Wyorp Rock]

Really?

While I appreciate you trying to set me straight as it were I am well aware of what was being discussed in the thread. I would not have posted had I no knowledge or experience there of.

If you go back and read the thread you will find that one or two people did mention that they thought this chick had diarrhea due to coccidiosis. Which is of course caused by coccidia a protozoa and treated with amprolium which is a vitamin blocker(I believe it's B6 but its been a while since I've read that)which doesn't kill the protozoa but allows the chick to produce an immune response to them while keeping them from reproducing.

As for the thread being about a "mushy" chick or chick with omphalitis I am well aware of that as well and have some experience with that in chicks that had problems hatching including two that fully ruptured their yolk sac in the egg and still managed to hatch. Unfortunately neither survived as the infection ran rampant.

I don't doubt that there are people that would allow a malformed chick to live and suffer to the end. Some people just don't know and some are unable to bring themselves to end the suffering. I am not one of those people and I agree with the decision to put this chick to rest.

I am well aware of where a chick's navel and vent are so photos of both were entirely unnecessary. I am also familiar with what an unabsorbed yolk looks like as well as how it can be attempted to allow the chick to finish absorbing it.

My post about the photo that was drawn on was merely to try and make sure the original poster understand that it may have not been drawn entirely accurately. For two of my chicks that suffered with omphalitis as their abdomens swelled their vent became further from the base of their tail and even healthy chicks it is not directly under the tail. I am also taking into account that these chicks are not day olds(by my count they are two weeks old today) I have never had a mushy chick live more than maybe 5-6 days, although after the first chick we cull in about three days if there's no improvement as I don't want them to suffer.

As to the OP saying the chick's poop was coming from the navel I have never seen this myself and have no doubt it could potentially happen. I just wanted to be sure they were 100% certain it was not the vent as mislabeled in the photo. I meant no disrespect and in no way meant to cause any problems by my eyes in the photo it looks as though the swollen abdomen has stretched the skin and there is no opening in the photo where the black arrow is. I believe the darker color in that area is in fact a shadow where the tail meets the body. The chick's tail is clearly visible and just below where the black arrow points the skin raises gently like it does above the vent of a chick or chicken. This is what appears to be the vent to me red and raw but the vent.

My only point was that if indeed the photo was accidentally mislabeled as I originally thought someone who was not as knowledgeable or familiar with chickens as you or I would simply repeat what you labelled as the navel in the photo thus calling what could be a vent a navel.

I have no doubt the chick was suffering from the omphalitis and the correct decision was made.

I'm glad that you are aware of all the various things you listed, this is what makes BYC so great, people can share their experience with others, that's what it's all about. It's very hard to know how much knowledge and awareness a person has, so sometimes posts are made that do include answers with photos to help further illustrate/educate. An effort is also made to make information available to the 1000s of readers searching threads for answers and help. If you felt the photos were unnecessary for your level of knowledge, then disregard them, but they may assist someone else.