Deworming and de-miting questions

[Michael Apple]

orange oil on the perches good to add to this list? I can't find my sevin dust. I have injectable ivermectin to do the birds, a few drops on skin under a wing? I use sulfur on my socks and pantlegs to keep chiggers off, can I use sulfur in my nest boxes instead of DE or Sevin? (I also have DE). Cleaning the coop out, I painted the interior to prevent mites from embedding in the wood when I built the thing, pond liner can be hosed down with bleach water, fresh clean straw for nests, and that should handle the mites? Worms are a separate issue, right now the mites look worse where I don't know if they do or don't have worms, so first things first. But orange oil on perches? good thing or is there something better?

Orange oil won't have much of a residual. I can still remember the days of nicotine sulfate (Blackleaf 40). There are emulsified concentrates that work excellent for premise treatment. Ravap EC is one, and Permectrin II is another. Rabon 50 is a wettable powder you can dust birds with or mix with water. The thing most people don't realize is that directions followed requires treating the entire coop (roosts, nests, walls, floors, cracks, and crevices) after all shavings or litter are removed. I don't use straw since it isn't as absorbant and mites congregate in straw over time.

Ivermectin may work on chiggers, when they suck blood, but doesn't do anything for mites or lice milling around among feathers and in the coop. I do use sulfur ointment on legs and feet for scaly mites and it has worked well. The good thing about Ravap EC and Permectrin II is that both can be used on the birds as well as the premises. I worm at least twice a year. My wormer of choice is Valbazen liquid labeled for goats. It is 1/2 cc orally for adult standard breeds and 1/4 cc for Bantams. Worm them again 10 days later. It kills all worms and is safe for chickens:
http://japr.fass.org/content/16/3/392.full.pdf

 

[Gypsi]

well whatever kind of bug is bothering the birds is just causing bare necks and bare around the vent, and the first dose of ivermectin reduced the redness on the bare skin. I haven't actually seen a mite on the birds. Cleaned the pen, put sevin in the nest box straw and all the cracks in the pen, under the pond liner.

added my other 2 adult birds, did ivermectin under the wing on all 5 tonight,and I wormed with Wazine on Sunday the 9th, so I'll be throwing out eggs til the 23rd.

I would like a better wormer the next time, but for now I needed to use what I had. Thank you for your reply. I just got it though. The work is done

 

[lcahill]

What I am looking for is the number of milligrams one should give a 1 kilogram bird (mg/kg), but no one seems to be able to provide that information. What if one had a 100 gram chick that needed to be dewormed, how much would should it get?

I measure Valbazen drench in volume measurements of cc/ml. I used common 1/2 cc for standard/larger breeds. I use Wormazole liquid at 1 drop per pound for my Bantams since label calls for 6 drops for a 4-6 lb chicken. The capsules are too large for Bantams or smaller standards, but I use them also on larger birds. Directions call for one capsule for a 3-6 pound chicken. Wormazole is labeled as a Benzimidazole class of anthelmintic product. I always preferred Wormazole over other wormers since it has a wide safety margin and eliminates round,cecal, tape,gape, hair, and capillary worms. Accidentally dosing a chicken with too much won't harm them. I know because I've done it. I prefer using the broadest spectrum wormer for chickens. I am always open to suggestions though.

Okay, so based on that *one* study, the most effective dose was 20mg per kilogram (2.2 pounds).

So I was given 25 hens yesterday and I want to deworm my entire flock and the newbies. (basically I didn't have the room to quarantine and had to automatically introduce the newbies to my originals.) I started the research on deworming and it's complicated and full of contradictions and opinions.

Without getting into a mathematical debate with percenatages or weight and concentrations of the albendazole in the mediceine it would be safe to say experience plays a large role in success. However, I like to now exacts so I can estimate accurately. I wont weigh my chickens to the oz or gram but I know what a 6 pound bird feels like compared to a 4 or 8 pounder. So in essance each size bird should get a different dosage....
Now that I have confused myself...

ETA: What the advantage of using a unit of weight (mg) compared to a unit of volume (ml/cc)?

 

[showbarnmom]

Medicine is generally labeled in mg per ml you dose an animal in mg per lb. so then you have to figure how many Mls are needed per lb.

I know LF gets roughly 1/2cc in most dewormers. But that is not ALL.

There are deworming powders that you put in your wateres. I would look into that for whole flock deworming.

Inhope that answered you :/