Deworming?

[yinepu]

I am not great at sowing but I could probably make you some cloth ones Mille, maybe I will start my own business

well, sorry to say you won't get any business from me..

the only "clothing" mine get is a bacon wrap....

 

[sixshooter60]

I wish there was a list that that anyone that DOES NOT worm their birds had to get on so all of us that do want clean healthy birds would know never to get birds from this list... I can tell you that any animal be it birds or dogs or cats or elephants are capable of getting parisites. Nuff Said

 

[byquails]

Ny my responce actually you should have realized I have verying answers, from not only here and now but from the man I bought the birds from, and also when i go through the archives here there are as many people saying either side of the debate....from what i can tell then It is up to the persons experiences and what has worked for them...not dissing any one just more confused and I guess that will continue from what I hear and have learned on my own research.

 

[yinepu]

I wish there was a list that that anyone that DOES NOT worm their birds had to get on so all of us that do want clean healthy birds would know never to get birds from this list... I can tell you that any animal be it birds or dogs or cats or elephants are capable of getting parisites. Nuff Said

one of the main problems I see with people worming many animals is that they do not remove the root cause of the parasites to start with

lets say you have a dog with fleas.. when the dog ingests a flea it gets tapeworms.. so the owner goes to the vet and gets medications to remove the tapeworms however does not solve the root problem of eradicating every flea on their property.. the dog gets more fleas and ingests one and has tapeworms all over again

so someone worms their quail but does not remove the cause of the worms in the first place.. such as keeping the birds on the ground or in a dirty cage that has not been sterilized.. even though the bird HAS been de-wormed it picks up worms within a few days because it's still in the same conditions

so in that vein of thinking.. what was the point in the de-worming?

I have seen people de-worm their birds and still have problems.. so if sanitary conditions are kept in the first place where the birds will have no exposure to parasites what's the point in de-worming them if they don't need it?

to assume that just because a person does not de-worm birds on a regular schedule does not mean that their birds are infested with parasites. I would be more concerned with the sanitary conditions the birds are kept in rather than how often a person de-worms their birds

 

[sixshooter60]

Ny my responce actually you should have realized I have verying answers, from not only here and now but from the man I bought the birds from, and also when i go through the archives here there are as many people saying either side of the debate....from what i can tell then It is up to the persons experiences and what has worked for them...not dissing any one just more confused and I guess that will continue from what I hear and have learned on my own research.

May i suggest you to find a licensed vet and ask them the questions about worming .. advice is usually free and maybe their answer will help you to make your decision as what you need to do..

 

[yinepu]

May i suggest you to find a licensed vet and ask them the questions about worming .. advice is usually free and maybe their answer will help you to make your decision as what you need to do..

a licensed vet should tell you that if you are concerned about parasites to bring in a fecal sample. they will test it and if the birds are free from parasites they will recommend that it not be treated..
they would need to find eggs or parasites in the fecal sample before they would treat since the medications they use are specific to the parasite. what would kill one type of parasite won't necessarily kill another

 

[sixshooter60]

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[yinepu]

Well as with most everything each individual has their own way of doing things and to that person its the right way.. So if you choose to not worm your animals and your happy and i choose to worm my animals and im happy then we both are happy .

my point as well.. if the birds are healthy then it's up to the individual keeper to do what they feel they need to do to maintain the health of their birds. For my birds, they are in sanitary conditions which are maintained on a daily basis. They do not come into contact with any other birds and I believe in practicing bio security as well as regular fecal testing to make sure they are parasite free.

if the birds are unhealthy then it's up to the keeper to try to remedy the situation..

 

[byquails]

I think this is the best advice I have gotten, I will continue to clean my cages and not worm unless something specific comes up. I like the thought that you brought up, as I said also that every one has their way of doing things and what works for one may not be what works for others..Thks Yinepu, so far your idea's and suggestions have been at least a relief to my mind as I have heard so many verying opinions..... Hope to keep the birds happy and healthy until death do them part...which is just a nice way of saying..dinner's on! In the mean time I am enjoying way too many eggs, but hey too much of a good thing isn't always bad...

 

[silkiechicken]

Everyone starts out new and new things are always a bit confusing.

Not everyone has the luxury to have 10, 20, 30, or a lifetime of experience with animals. Shoot, some have the luxury to learn first hand from parents/friends. Nobody starts out all knowing and when you jump in fresh without experience into something that there are others that have done it for years, it can be very daunting. It's a normal feeling.

That said, there is a lot of info and experiences to read and no two situations are the same. Many times you just gotta go and learn and ignore those who may roll your eyes at you.

That said, most my colony experience is with mice. We have clean and dirty mice. Clean mice are 100% parasite free. They are born in clean rooms and are fed sterilized food in sterilized cages. As long as no handler touches a dirty before a clean and follows biosecurity measures like shower before entering room, those clean mice never get "dirty" as it has to come from somewhere. Kind of like a living and larger version of Pastuer's experiment on spontaneous generation.

If you can keep the quail in a way where no parasites can get to them, they can't get parasites. However, even caged that can be hard to do for the average person who does not have air lock rooms, irradiated food, sterile lines of animals. As for the parasites from meal worms, if certified parasite free meal worms can be found, they won't get parasites from those worms. But there isn't anything to say that feed from the store might not contain some eggs of nasites, dust from outside, or contact with some wild animal won't infect your flock.

Best of luck with your quail!

Oh, and about quail diapers, I am sure you can find some if you want. There are lines of diapers made for indoor birds. From parakeet to macaw sized. A cockatiel sized diaper would probably fit a quail depending on it's size, or you could go find a maker of poultry diapers and see if they make mini sizes. Your best bet would be one of the standard "flight suit" made by the company Avian Fashions. They are about $20 each. Almost got one for my cockatiel who gets free roam indoors but she did not like the aviator harness so I doubt she would even let me put on a flight suit.