Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching

[jbher]

There is a lot of confusion regarding when to start turning eggs.

There is a ton of research that states that the most critical time to turn the egg outs on day one and decreases with importance as the chick increases on size and mobility in the egg.

So this contradicts the byc mantra of not turning eggs but I am wondering how many malpositioned chicks are because of this.

I have never seen a rolling air cell hatch but I have heard many complaints of malpositioned chicks dead in shell.

My advice is get the eggs turning within ten hours

Oh man... now I don't know what to do!!

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Quote: I have told everyone over and over, and pasted this several times. We have researched this alot, ozexpat has set a godzillion eggs at this point, not only shipped across the US to him, but then taken a flight to be hatched overseas in the phils!

Almost every set of information in this Hatching 101 article is based on fact and studies, it should never take place of doing your own research though, always do your homework, and that doesnt mean heresay. What works for one person will not work for another in most situations with incubating.

Remember when we step out of the realm of the perfect egg and jump into shipped eggs we must use our common sense and take into account all the typical conditions we know are reduce viability in eggs, one main issue with incubation is not turning or not enough turning. I seen it with my own hand turning, 3x a day just doesnt cut it, I cant imagine no turning. And then the air cells. Thats why every egg should be treated differently.

I also agree with the, never seen a rolling air cell hatch. I toss them at this point and I question those who say they HAVE hatched them, not saying its not possible, just not that I have ever seen, I would only trust a full documentation start to finish of an egg like that to believe it! I WANT to believe it trust me! LOL Most that say they hatched them are confused with the rolling vs loose! A LOOSE air cell does have a good chance at hatch depending on its severity, its the shape of the cell and if the chick can ultimately hatch under what conditions those air cells give them.

OZ at this point are we in what agreement on the following in the article? Does it need changes with more facts put into the article via links on viability and turning or what? I want to get the most accurate, and conclusions based on facts.

CONCLUSION ~ Shipped eggs
If an egg has a normal intact air cell PLEASE TREAT IT AS A NORMAL EGG!

For rolling, detached or disrupted air cells
(cells no longer at fat end of the egg but like a bubble level on the long side, rolling or saddle shaped cells), you’ll need to change your hatch plan. These eggs need to sit and settle to room temp 12-24 hours NO TURNING, pointy end down in a Egg Carton to possibly reattach air cells.

For SETTING in the incubator......

If your air cell is ROLLING end to end do not turn for 36-48 hours of the first incubation hours to help air cell re-attach and in some cases are really bad loose air cell should not be turned either, if after 48 hours and you have embryo growth and the air cell is still completely loose, do not turn another 24 hours.

If air cells are saddle shaped but intact (meaning not jiggly) I put them in the turner and begin with the gentle turning or you can turn by hand in the carton by simply tilting side to side, see image below.

TREATMENT AT LOCKDOWN.......
I personally have found that any shipped egg that survives to day 18 lockdown has an awkward but re-attached air cell so I lay my eggs down for hatch. Please refer to day 18 lockdown for more information on why laying eggs for hatching after day 18 is the best way to go.

REMINDER~ Never Set COLD eggs in the incubator.



Below image are Eggs in A Carton with Bottoms cut out for Ventilation



Below image of Turning damaged air cell Shipped Eggs, just lean to opposite side.
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[subhanalah]

I thought malpositioning was from the eggs being turned too long, so they aren't given enough time to situation within their shells, @ozexpat
Please explain the whole process to me
I, too have noticed a lot of malposition dead in shells here on the forum, but they also come from fresh eggs from my observation, with no air cell disruption.
I also believe it has to do with the frequency of turning during the turning stage. (Or lack of frequency, as it were. )

 

[Sally Sunshine]

inadequate turning during storage can also cause all these ills

Let me find some reads for you, I just pasted one this past week I think!

 

[subhanalah]

inadequate turning during storage can also cause all these ills 

Let me find some reads for you,  I just pasted one this past week I think! 

that's interesting because my first hatch was old eggs that had not been turned during storage, none of the chick's that made it to day 18 were malpositioned. Fluke?

 

[Sally Sunshine]

WHY TURNING IS IMPORTANT a pretty thorough read and there are tons of scholarly reads in abstracts and studies should you search them.

 

[Sally Sunshine]

This link is in the hatching 101 and also a good read on storage and reasoning http://www.pasreform.com/academy/fr...atching-eggs/16-storage-of-hatching-eggs.html



I had posted a link a few weeks ago about storing eggs little end up to increase hatchability when stored for a longer period of time as well, and then the plastic bag study. I posted this in the hatchalong thread today as well.

 

[subhanalah]

Well, I dropped three eggs (carton fell on the floor) while setting them. I have them marked but set them and have the egg Turner on. Anyone ready for some interesting results of this? For all I know, the yolks are scrambled. Well just have to see.

 

[jbher]

Okay I candled my last batch of eggs that I received today. The Ameraucana egg's were okay. Here are my notes for each:

Air cell in fat end - saddle shape - loose
Air cell in fat end - loose
Air cell in fat end - saddle shape - loose
ROLLING AIR CELL
Air cell in fat end - loose - CRACKS - we put nail polish on them
Air cell in fat end - saddle shape - loose
Air cell in fat end - saddle shape - loose
air cell in fat end - saddle shape - loose
Air cell in fat end - saddle shape - loose
Air cell in fat end - loose
Air cell in fat end - loose

Marans eggs:


Air cell in fat end - SMALL DARK SPOT floating inside
couldn’t see - it was too dark
big aircell!!!!
ROLLING AIR CELL
can’t see it - very porous ends!!
air cell in fat end
can’t really see it
can’t see it
air cell in fat end - BIG
air cell in fat end - medium size
air cell in fat end - loose
saddle air cell
big aircell saddle shaped
saddle air cell
big saddle air cell

So... I am just leaving them on the shelf tonight fat end up and tomorrow is set day. Not much else I can do for them

Do you recommend still that I put them in egg cartons IN the incubator and not turn them?? And what is the consensus on how long I should not turn them?

 

[subhanalah]

Okay I candled my last batch of eggs that I received today. The Ameraucana egg's were okay. Here are my notes for each:

Air cell in fat end - saddle shape - loose Air cell in fat end - loose Air cell in fat end - saddle shape - loose ROLLING AIR CELL Air cell in fat end - loose - CRACKS - we put nail polish on them Air cell in fat end - saddle shape - loose Air cell in fat end - saddle shape - loose air cell in fat end - saddle shape - loose Air cell in fat end - saddle shape - loose Air cell in fat end - loose Air cell in fat end - loose

Marans eggs:

Air cell in fat end - SMALL DARK SPOT floating inside couldn’t see - it was too dark big aircell!!!! ROLLING AIR CELL can’t see it - very porous ends!! air cell in fat end can’t really see it can’t see it air cell in fat end - BIG air cell in fat end - medium size air cell in fat end - loose saddle air cell big aircell saddle shaped saddle air cell big saddle air cell

So... I am just leaving them on the shelf tonight fat end up and tomorrow is set day. Not much else I can do for them :/

Do you recommend still that I put them in egg cartons IN the incubator and not turn them?? And what is the consensus on how long I should not turn them?

what does this mean? I got an egg today that had this