Differences EE, Ameraucana, & Araucana * Pls post pics*

[junebuggena]

this is our araucana (hopefully) rooster we purchased 2 weeks ago with 2 females 9all about 18mth old), who im reluctant to post due to their lack of back feathers and butchered wing clips, he was alone with the 2 hens when we got them, who apart from the lack of feathers seem healthy.
hes a really virile boy and has been running rampant with our other 4 hens, so im hoping the missing back feathers are due to his seemingly endless sex drive. they were purchased from a french policeman who breads them for the joy of it, pity he didnt learnt to clip wings properly.
anyway, 1 hour after arriving home and introducing the trio into our small group, we got our 1st egg, with a 2nd folling 30 minutes later.
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He's got muffs and a beard, which is something the Americana Araucana breed is not supposed to have at all.

 

[Selsley]

Oh, I understand perfectly. You're the one who seems to have a problem grasping the fact that green and a pale blue are two different colors.


Isn't that generalizing just a little?


Why would I need to do any researching if I'm already speaking from my own experiences.




Well, that is my experience with the RIR's and the Australorps that I've have kept.



Yes, that's true... but it's still a shade of blue. Changing to a different shade of the same color is not the same thing as changing to a different color altogether.


Uh...I beg to differ. The correct statement should be "It is no different for (some) brown egg layers". See response from above.

a blue egg is blue it contains a blue gene which is a dominant gene, a brown egg is brown,coz of a brown gene, a green egg is a mongrel, blue and brown genes, a green egg fading due to age will likely be blue due to its dominance, hence a colour change only brought on through fading.

this is why a blue gene crossed with the dark chocolate (more brown gene) still retains its blue making a darker green egg layer whereas if the brown gene was dominant the pale blue colour would be lost by the dark brown

 

[Alaskan]

He's got muffs and a beard, which is something the Americana Araucana breed is not supposed to have at all.

The European Auracana is totally different.

@Selsley Are you in Europe or the US? Giant different in the Auracana breed depending on where you are located. I think the European one usually has a tail....

 

[rottlady]

He's got muffs and a beard, which is something the Americana Araucana breed is not supposed to have at all.

I think you are confusing Americana (which are just Easter eggers) and Ameraucanas
This is my friends Ameraucanas very high end birds and they have muffs and beards http://ferrifresh.weebly.com/bbs-ameraucana.html

 

[junebuggena]

I think you are confusing Americana (which are just Easter eggers) and Ameraucanas
This is my friends Ameraucanas very high end birds and they have muffs and beards http://ferrifresh.weebly.com/bbs-ameraucana.html

My post was meant to read 'American Araucana'. Darn phone changed American to Americana. I know the differences in the different terms, and I never use a misspelled version of Ameraucana when referring to Easter Eggers.
The bird in question has muffs and a beard, which means that it can't be Araucana, according to the American definition. It is rumpless, and therefore, can't be an Ameraucana either.
It still doesn't meet the requirements of a European Araucana either. The rumpless birds should be muffed and tufted.
This guy would be classed as an Easter Egger, no matter where in the world he is from.

 

[Selsley]

I would have thought "french policeman" may have given my location away.

Well according to lots of reading and posts here, tuft x tuft = tuft, no tuft or death so why would there definitely be tufts?
I have even been looking at recognised breeders who sell some of their rumpless araucanas with or without tufts.
Obviously the rumpless tufted are double the price due to their show quality since no tuft is disqualification in some places.
But being a learner i just dont know what they are, the more i look the more confused i become. he cant be 1 coz he has no tufts but beard,
he cant be another coz he has no rump, think its time to name him frankenstine

 

[junebuggena]

I would have thought "french policeman" may have given my location away.

Well according to lots of reading and posts here, tuft x tuft = tuft, no tuft or death so why would there definitely be tufts?
I have even been looking at recognised breeders who sell some of their rumpless araucanas with or without tufts.
Obviously the rumpless tufted are double the price due to their show quality since no tuft is disqualification in some places.
But being a learner i just dont know what they are, the more i look the more confused i become. he cant be 1 coz he has no tufts but beard,
he cant be another coz he has no rump, think its time to name him frankenstine

Probably mixed color/variety rumpless European Araucana. Since they are all different colorings, they won't breed true in that aspect and can't be considered 'pure'. And for all we know, you could have been talking about someone who grew up in France, but is now living in another country...

 

[CrazyTalk]

Well according to lots of reading and posts here, tuft x tuft = tuft, no tuft or death so why would there definitely be tufts?

Because the birds that are born without tufts don't meet the breed standard and aren't Araucanas - they're easter eggers. Chicken breeds aren't prescriptive - breeding together two Araucanas doesn't get you all Aracauna chicks - only the ones that match the standard are the breed.

 

[rottlady]

I'm a dog breeder and this baffles the crap out of me. Animals with standard flaws and faults are genetically still their breed. They just don't fit the standard. a tuftless Araucana is genetically still an Araucana, still has the genetics for blue eggs etc they just have a flaw. AND in South America there ARE Tufted Araucanas, tuftless Araucanas, crested Araucanas, smooth headed Araucanas, Rumpless Araucanas and tailed Araucanas

 

[junebuggena]

I'm a dog breeder and this baffles the crap out of me. Animals with standard flaws and faults are genetically still their breed. They just don't fit the standard. a tuftless Araucana is genetically still an Araucana, still has the genetics for blue eggs etc they just have a flaw. AND in South America there ARE Tufted Araucanas, tuftless Araucanas, crested Araucanas, smooth headed Araucanas, Rumpless Araucanas and tailed Araucanas

Chicken breeds are not based on pedigree or genealogy. I know that it's hard to wrap the brain around that concept. It's purely based on whether or not a bird meets a set standard, and if it produces consistently when bred to another 'like' bird. You can have two birds that are the same breed, but different varieties. If you breed them, the chicks are no longer the same 'breed', but mixes; since there will be no consistency to what colors those chicks will produce in future generations.
It's all about breeding 'true'. It can take years to get back to correct color if you crossed in a different variety for one reason or another. Chicken genetics are not simple in the least bit.