Do you think it was a fluke that this bird won......

[Ms.FuzzyButts]

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If we lived closer to each other, I wouldn't mind helping you at all. Most folks at a show will be glad to answer your questions. Atleast that's been my experience anyway. I am only in my second year showing silkies, but don't mind answering what I can.

 

[sweeterdeeter42]

Speaking from years of first hand experience, it depends on the judge for 4-H. Some judges judge according to the SOP. Some judges judge based on the condition of the bird. Some 4-H judges are actual APA judges or apprentices that volunteer their time, most of the time they are just someone who shows poultry and is familiar with the process. Some judges for 4-H dont even give you anything even if you are the only one in your entire class if your bird doesnt fit the Standard. Some will give you everything just because your bird is in good condition, whether or not it is in accordance with the 4-H show rules(ie. two males or two females in a pairs only class, or cockerels in the pullet class) or fits the standard. Usually, it is a nice balance between meeting the standard most of the way and being in good condition. And every year it could be a different judge, so you never know what to expect.
Also, I dont see frizzles on the APA list of recognized breeds and varieties, so it may not even be showable in an APA sanctioned show, unless they have an "all others" class that includes frizzles. Although I have frizzles, I have never tried to show them, so I do not know if they have a special little class for them. I love frizzles, and yours is way more handsome than mine is! Beautiful bird!

 

[scbatz33]

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HOW CUTE IS SHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's good for her to have fun. If it's not fun, then she won't want to do it for the long haul. As she gets older, the competition will get stronger. It's a good foundation for her. CONGRATS!

 

[schellie69]

Great looking rooster, I think 4-h is more about getting the kids interested in taking care and raising an animal. I did not see any SQ chickens at our fair the chickens all came from the farm store on chick days.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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That is sad. I know I have had great mentors over the years that have helped me learn to evaluate birds. It is much easier to look over a bird in person as you can see it from all angles and really look at it in detail. Here you have to rely on photos, and the quality of the camera, the photographer and the cooperation (or lack) of the bird can make a huge difference in how the bird appears: making it look worse than in person or better or just different. That is one reason that when people are evaluation via photograph, they usually ask for multiple photos taken from different angles and of different body areas.

Post some photos of the bird in question and I'll try to give you an honest evaluation.

One other thing that will help you REALLY learn is to clerk for a judge at a show. It's also a lot of fun!

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Frizzle is not a breed (in the US). It is a variety that is recognised for ALL breeds and all recognised colour varieties by both the APA and ABA. So, a frizzled birchen modern game would be recognised, whereas a frizzled Rhode Island self-blue would be AOV.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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That was quite blatant.

That roo certainly makes some tasty eye candy!

It's just fact. 4-H is usually for any pretty bird, and does not at all make it show quality. Illia did not say that there's anything bad about that.

To the OP- 4-H is more of just a fun, small hobby thing. It doesn't make a bird show quality, since no APA judgments are involved.

I disagree. 4H is for LEARNING, not a "small hobby thing." And depending on the folks running the programs at your county and club levels, APA and ABA standards may be very important or not at all. Some 4H poultry programs do not even include exhibition, but focus only on meat and/or egg production; some do it all; some only do showmanship; and some do exhibition and showmanship.

 

[sweeterdeeter42]

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Frizzle is not a breed (in the US). It is a variety that is recognised for ALL breeds and all recognised colour varieties by both the APA and ABA. So, a frizzled birchen modern game would be recognised, whereas a frizzled Rhode Island self-blue would be AOV.

So you CAN show frizzles in an APA show? Do you just enter them as the breed and color that they would be if they werent frizzled? I would like to show my frizzles if I can. I didnt see the word frizzle on the list of breeds and varieties though, so I didnt know if they were even allowed. I dont think I have ever even seen any at our local show every year either.

 

[Nava]

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That was quite blatant.

That roo certainly makes some tasty eye candy!

Hey if the OP wants to get into showing that is the way to learn ask questions and be ready for the truth
that's how I ended up getting rid of most of my birds cause I want SQ stock for that reason to show, and now I'm ready to go try them at Crossroads IN

 

[verity]

What fun for you and your little girl -- she is darling and so very proud ---
and that rooster is a cutie, too ---

Keep on having fun -- life is filled with 'serious' stuff -- look for the fun things!