****does anyone know this breed of dog personaly?presa canario-update*****

[dinahmoe]

thanks everyone.
i will not be getting this cross.

i have put together a list of potential breeds and i will let you guys know what we come up with after doing some breeder research....and pictures of course.

 

[redhen]

that isn't a "child aggression" issue. That is the dog deciding that he owned YOU and that he wasn't going to let someone separate him from his possession. Also, as I said, some dogs just don't like some people. A growl is just a warning. The only way a dog has of saying "I don't want you to bother me, leave me alone"

Yeah, it wasnt just a child aggression issue, but still not acceptable in my house. Theres more to the story.. but i was too lazy to write it all out last night..

He first growled at my husband.. he had only been with us a couple of days..
Ares was on the bed by me and my husband came in the room and called him... the dog got very still and stared hard at my husband and was doing a low growl...
I said to my husband, MAKE him get down... he was like heck no! I aint getting bit..

So i said "hey! NO growl! Get DOWN!" and he slunk off the bed..
I thought maybe he was just scared in a new house.. etc... and decided to not let him on the bed anymore..
But he still did it more times after that... like he would be sitting beside me and my husband would call him and he'd do the growl again...(he never did growl at ME though..)
So i called the lady and asked her WTH was going on,.. WHAT happend in his past? ANd that i NEEDED to know as i had kids in the house...
She still denied anything, said he never did it in her house...yeah..right..

SO i called a dog behaviorist and had him evaluated, and she agreed that "something" happend in his past to make him possessive/protective over the women hes bonded with..
He was VERY bonded with is previous owner... and had taken to me also..
Heres the thing,.. the lady was going through a divorce,..so my gut feeling? There was some kind of abuse going on with that lady and the dog used to protect her.. or something..
But we'll never know the truth,..(hence WHY i am leary of EVER taking in another strange adult dog, you just dont know the dogs whole true life story....)
So we did the techniques the dog behaviorist taught us... NO letting him on the bed because he thinks hes on the same "pack" level with us then... keep a 2 ft lead on him at all times... if growls when called have the person growled at walk to him and say "No!" and grab the lead and MAKE him move... plus many other things...
But one day one of my foster kids (teens) called him. He was sitting by me... and the dog growled..
Then another time outside we were playing with him, and he was beside me, and another foster son (teen) called him to come to him... Ares, got real still and stared at him and was growling again, ...
I decied then that i HAD to re-home him... no way i was going to keep taking that risk.
I found him a home (case worker at my job actually), that had many years of dane experience,.. she had an older dane that was passing away, so she couldnt take him on right then... because she didnt wan tto stress out the older dying dog... so we transistioned him slowly into her household... visits, walks, over nights... etc... so when they finally did take him it wasnt so traumatic for him.
Because when i got him from his other owner he was soooo distraught at being away from her... kept walking to the door where she left out of ... crying whining, looking for her...it just killed me to see.

So when me moved him this time, we did it slowly.
Again, such a truly sweet dog, man i really loved that dog... but i cant take the risk with my having kids in my house. Period.
Also, he still does that growling at this ladies house... but shes had many years experience with danes and feels comfortable with it..
Hes now really bonded with this lady and hes a happy camper.

Here he is.. the big goof.


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[wolftracks]

thank you.
that is what i need to know.

I agree with this.

I raised Rotties for over 20 years and as long as it's a trusted breeding you can't go wrong with them.

I have Corsi now. I love them and so great with kids too.

Presa? I count myself as a very good trainer and they were well behaved, but even with the breeders I got them from I was still leary around kids. They don't handle little girls ( or high pitched boys. LOL ) screaming. They get agitated when there is rough play going on or one kids hits another. I had to kennel when company came and kids they didn't know where around or I would have to spend every second watching. They were sweet and cuddly, but had their moments and it wasn't worth the stress.

I do know people who have them and they are in love with the breed, so was I , but even though they say they have no problems I've visited and seen those dogs go straight to kennel. And these are Rare Breed show dogs, so handled often and alot.

 

[redhen]

thanks everyone.
i will not be getting this cross.

i have put together a list of potential breeds and i will let you guys know what we come up with after doing some breeder research....and pictures of course.

Let us know! And we need pics too...

 

[wolftracks]

Let us know! And we need pics too...

 

[redhen]

When you have a dog the size of a great dane it is a child aggression issue. Every family dog we have ever had would rather have children poke them in the eye or shove cherrios up the dogs nose rather then ever display any sign of aggression to a child.


There are dozens of cute happy sweet shelter dogs for every nasty one. Sorry but in my honest opinion if all shelters had the honestly and morality they would put down every even slightly aggressive animal and it would make so much room for the good dogs.Then people like me would be so much less hesitant about getting a shelter dog in the first place.


Also she said foster children, now no one wants their own children in any danger, but foster kids makes that more so. You do not want foster kids you love going back into the system. A child mentioning a growling dog would be all it takes around here.

Yeah, i just couldnt put other peoples kids at risk like that...
God forbid if anything did happen,...
the law suits and liability would be insane...
Not to mention my OWN conscience...
Much as i loved that dog, i just felt that i HAD to re-home him..

 

[dixiebeast]

THANKS and yes actually he is not full but close...my other Boo was and he is so much like her...I was shopping for a full and he was a ditch dump with his pure mom. My vet believes there is chow(another strong breed) . I can say I have always been on top of training and that is extremly important with any breed but breed tempermant is a big part.His mom is a doll baby also...the woman who found them kept her!! He is a year old last month and only 71 pounds,my Boo was 130!! As a pup Gator looked full and his mask spread some with age and his fur is a little longer but he has that wonderfull rott stance I love so much!

Is that them in your avatar? Cute! Gator has something else in there too, right?

 

[gpamela3499]

Have you thought about contacting rescues for the breeds you are considering and fostering that breed for a while. Sorry if it was mentioned but I did not read entire post.

 

[babyblue2]

I agree, and would also add that children need to be taught not to poke dogs and shove cheerios up their noses, and be supervised to make sure they dont do tose things. A dog who growls at a child over those kind of things is being benevolent and appropriate.

Sure I have taught my own children that. My parents did not. No matter what we (my sisters and I) did to the dogs they never growled barked or made a bad move. Sure supervise your own kids. But you can not teach or supervise everyone elses children. I don't want to be the one to take my family to a picnic and have my dog go after someones child because the child was a nasty little snot. Because guess what, it is not anywhere ever going to be considered the childs fault. It will always be the dog and by extension the owner.

There is training your dog and then there is TRAINING your dog. I train a dog to the point where a handful of strange kids can pile on them and attempt to ride them like a pony. I train a dog that they will lie quietly and calmly for the vet no matter what the vet needs to do. Growling is aggression in my book and is not tolerated. The dog does not have to enjoy something or be happy, but they can be secure in the reasoning that I need them to behave in a certain way and that it is the correct thing to do because I said so.

 

[dinahmoe]

yes,
checking some out ,
thanks

Have you thought about contacting rescues for the breeds you are considering and fostering that breed for a while. Sorry if it was mentioned but I did not read entire post.