Does education make you jaded?

[seismic wonder2]

Ignorance is bliss.
A person can be just as happy as a clam in the sand because they don't know they live on Pismo Beach....

The "un-edu-ma-cated" don't discuss current events because they don't know anything about them. They know what they know and that's it. They don't have the initiative to go out and learn new things. They are afraid of the outside world and refuse contact.

I, for one, am sick to death of stupid chicks. Yes I said it "STUPID".
An ignorant person can find education and learn, Stupid people are aware they are ignorant and choose to do nothing about it. Or ...they are really intelligent and act like morons.

There's my $0.50 worth.....

 

[DianeB]

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I've gotten from your posts that you are either in or around the Sacramento area , I lived in East Sac and Midtown for years.. there are definitely the type of people you are looking for there. You just havent found them. Expand your social circle, join an organization that is already formed doing something for the community that interests you. You'll find them, I think you have just been looking in the wrong places. I really don't think church is the place you'll find this type of conversation. Also university towns are automatically going to have way more of this kind of thinking . Davis is it's own animal.. there arent many communities like that in CA or the US for that matter. Also I think the state of the economy has many not acting or speaking out like in the past as people are more focused on their personal challenges than a communities. People are in survival mode these days. Things like Church may be their only social activity.

Good luck!


Nancy

I actually moved back to Stanislaus County. People were like this before I left for school. It use to not bother me when I first starting to go to Stan State and later Davis. It has just really annoyed me this last week.

BTW, people at Stan State were not like this at all. (I know another college.) I think the problem is that all those that did care have left. I am thinking it is about time I made my exist too. But, what to do about my chickens if I leave?

DB

 

[meriruka]

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That's changes everything! You can't leave the chickens!

 

[Guinea Goonie]

It is very important that a persons education does not force them into thinking in a Liberal or Conservative way.

Colleges are becoming WAY to politically motivated.

When I went to college it was for the science field.
However, the electives I was forced to endure (it was a Judia Chistrian College) were unacceptable to me.

I took LOTS of history and tried some religion classes.

The ohter classes became quite tilted to a conservative darn near right thinking psycho babble. I did not appreciate it and I wrote letters to the dean in protest.

Upons graduation I was presented with a letter from the founding fathers of the college. They DID recognize my perspective and said they were going to look into classes that took a "more central, political and philos..... ". To this day, it has never happened.

I do not give them money and I continue to write them letters explaining why.

My education expanded my mind beyond what most peoole will ever get out of an education. I know stuff that when I tell them what i know, they look at me like a dog that just heard a strange sound.

NO, I do not feel jaded, but I DO wish that colleges would STOP hiring left or right polotical professers that insist on warping the minds of their charges.

 

[DianeB]

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That's changes everything! You can't leave the chickens!

I know I am doomed. I love my chicky-chicks way to much to abandom them. Luckily

the economy has forced me to go back to school. I probabily will head back to Stan State, Chapman or commute to a UC. They have me for at least another year and a half.

DB

 

[GrayDragon]

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I don't mind when teachers are politically motivated. I mind when they try to force you to their mindset, mind when they penalize you for not sharing their mindset, and mind even more when they spout falsehoods to try to bring you to their mindset or leave out pertinent information because it would steer you away from their mindset.


I remember having a major issue with a history teacher in my first year of college. She asked, 'how many survivors where there at Custer's Last Stand?' At the time, I was able to give an approximation by tribe. She was angry because the answer she wanted was 'none' and at that point there was nothing I could do to get an A on an assignment in her class. But the truth was, she didn't ask how many of Custer's soldiers survived, she asked for the total survivors, and those are very different questions. She just didn't think of the natives as 'people', but had the bloodthirsty savage image firmly in her brain and thought manifest destiny was awesome.

Me, I've got family still on the reservations. My mindset is just a tad different, and I loathe when all tribes are simply lumped together as 'indians' in the history books. Lots of differences between tribes, from religion to dress to diet to lifestyle to gender issues to mode of warfare to customs to blah, let's just say there are around as many differences between the Apache and the Seminole as there are between the British and the Russians.

 

[PortageGirl]

Rimshoes, while I see what you may be trying to say about political/social/religious attitudes in higher education, part of that education is for young adults to learn different points of view and learn to make up their own minds -IN SPITE- of what the professors tried to say.

I'm sure it's very difficult to weed out professors etc who have opinions, but by that age it's not nearly as harmful as I think it is in high school or earlier, or at least shouldnt be so.

I'm especially alert to HS teachers trying to sway kids one way or another. I don't mind if a teacher states their opinion, as long as they make it CLEAR that it IS their opinion. I don't even want them to present the 'other' side! Just be clear that there are other sides and perhaps some sources of opposing info even!

One of the best things I had in HS was our Government course where we had to bring in every article and story on a selection of current events topics we could find, and then we compared them. We got to see just how newspapers, magazines and TV/radio media outlets changed or left certain things out to suit their ideas, and so tried to change our ideas. I learned a lot from that, though my family stressed not believing everything we read etc... this was an active demonstration of it.

Of course, there were still some people who failed to get the message that they should think for themselves and continued to believe what certain news sources preached no matter what else was out there to learn.

 

[ducks4you]

I've been thinking about this thread for awhile now. I believe in education. I also believe that education occurs every time you study a subject---there are a lot of people on this forum who are educating themselves on chickens. I am also a Pragmatist, therefore I believe that any knowledge is under an obligation to prove itself useful. I treat all knowledge like a boyfriend/girlfriend. As everyone who has had one knows NOTHING is worse than a bad one. They behave like Lucy pulling the football before Charlie Brown can kick it. The knowledge I have acquired has to work MOST of the time. I will abandon it, if it doesn't work well, and I find another idea or action that works much better. This week I discovered a better way to boil eggs, for instance.
Displaying knowledge can remind other people about their lack of knowledge and insults them or makes them feel less worthy. It's different from sharing. Sharing knowledge is more like plugging in an appliance and being at the ready to serve. My toaster does this well. My waffle maker only comes out as a special request. If it hung around and wanted to make waffles for me when I didn't want waffles or NEED waffles, I'd just end up throwing the waffles away.
People sometimes don't answer questions in a social setting because they are afraid to be embarrassed and fail with a wrong answer. It gets kind of annoying if you're in a classroom and find that you're the only one answering professor questions, and the professor counts on you to do so. (I've been there, but I've been motivated to maintain an "A", so I don't beat myself up over it.) IF you're in any kind of class and you ARE the only one answering questions, bear in mind that the leader of the class, be it a professor, or layman teacher, is responsible for the climate of that class. If he/she can't create a "positive answer climate" in their classroom, its THEIR problem--never yours to fix, never yours to "clean up the mess." Just FYI--hope it helps.

 

[Whispering Winds]

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That was a good post. Thank you. I am not "educated", but I think education is a wonderful tool. I think sometimes we confuse educated people with those who don't have common sense. I know a lot of educated people who know a lot of book smarts, but couldn't change a tire on their car if their life depended upon it . . .but learning is what keeps our brains young and our thoughts churning. . .whether you are setting in a class at college or reading a good teaching book, its learning . . .and for gosh sakes, my alma mater, "the school of hard knocks". Any other graduates from that one?

 

[Goose and Fig]

I think my education has made me a better person, and so did the teaching that I've had the opportunity to do. I do feel VERY out of place since we transplanted to the rural south, so I get my fix of intellectual stimulation from NPR and forums like this. (Especially the genetics forum, I'm a student all over again)

One thing I haven't figured out is how my husband and I are going to pay back over $100K in student loans

Good thread, thanks.