Dog breeding

[SundownWaterfowl]

Thats great! So glad you decided against it. Also wanted to say, hope my post didn't come across as bashing, I did not mean it that way at all.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

All this talk about what an who should an shouldn't breed an I bet everyone ignored that same advice when they decided to have children......

Said it a million times. The only overpopulation problem in the world is humans.

 

[bufforp89]

 

[Carols Clucks]

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Easy, dozens of dogs in the shed out back, never seen a vet other than the one they made up on paper or the one that for the right price will sign anything (not referring to OFFA/CERF or similar health testing.

Bred every heat cycle until the production drops

Fed the cheapest thing they can find.

And sold on the internet/pet stores with cute little photos (often stolen from good breeders)


The puppy business is an ag business in MANY areas, if you did not meet your dogs breeder. seen where you puppy grew up and it came from certain states, chances are you chickens coop looks much better than the shed you puppy came from.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

I breed pugs. I have opinions of how it should an shouldn't be done. But I am not going to badmouth "Jo farmer" breeding Cha-weenies in his barn for doing it. 98% of them are good people that live by old fashioned values an take good care of there animals. They produce what people will buy because that's how you keep a farm from going under. Dog breeding has always been the role of farmers. This is not something new an bad. Dog breeding always has been an always will be an Ag product. An there is nothing wrong with that.

Lots of good breeders still just pull lines from there breeding program the second a genetic issue shows up. An they pass on all the newest fancy tests, most of which have yet to be proven. That way has worked for thousands of years. Modern medicine is very new. Respectable dog breeding predates it by thousands of years.

Many people say you should only breed dogs that show good. But the reality is that show lines, though nice to look at many, don't make the best pets an some even have health issues bread in to them for the sake of a look. Dog shows are a few hundred years old. Again, Respectable dog breeding predates it by thousands of years.

Fact is there is a lot of money in dog breeding. Lets face facts here, most of the hype about not breeding is about competition not whats best for the dogs.
Yes there is lots of money in dogs weather you do it right or not. The people wining these big shows are not little miss housewife trying to make the best possible dog. Its large kennels pumping out hundreds of dogs making thousands of dollars where having that show title raises the bottom line. But that's not how they want to be seen.

Then there is the whole registry junk. Some of mine are registered some are not. When it comes down to finding the best dogs to breed 9 times out of 10 it wont be a registered dog. An by only looking at registered lines you are actually keeping your self from breeding the best dogs. Besides the AKC complains about other registries for registering dogs on the word of the breeder but states on there own site that they do the exact same thing. So to me that there registry worthless to. The registry idea is about 200 years old. Hear again, respectable Dog breeding predates that by several thousand years.


Then there is the groups that make a living rounding up dogs an selling them. Then they kill any dogs that don't sell an blame that on breeders. But the reality is that they have been campaigning to get people to believe it is ok to just bring them any dog that they don't want an they will find them a loving home for years. They even pay people to drive around with a fake badge an collect them. They are the ones pushing this "throw away pets" mindset. They have ingrained in peoples minds that you have a place to take them the second they become a hassle. So people don't see dogs as a commitment like they used to. But then they throw that "puppy mill" term out there an blame them for filling a demand that they created. Its all spin.

So No I'm not going to bad mouth anyone for breeding there dog unless I know for a fact that they are mistreating there animals. An anyone that does is selling something.

 

[BlacksheepCardigans]

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There are no big show kennels anymore. There just aren't. I've been to these people's houses; I've played with their dogs. We are ALL housewives, many retired. In the Top Ten right now (the top-winning AKC show dogs in the nation), only one dog is owned by even a medium-sized kennel. The Peke was bred in England by a couple who has a few dogs who all sleep with them at night. The GWP is owned by a husband and wife who have a small breeding program. The Whippet is owned by people who have one litter a year. The top Beardie was bred by someone who only keeps a couple of Beardies at one time. None of those people can even afford to show their own dog - the top contenders are all shared by backers who get nothing out of it but the fun of sharing owning a top dog.

When you go to a dog show - I should take pictures next time, because it often seems like nobody believes me on this - and sit around the BIS ring, around you are maybe fifty well-dressed fit people with $150,000 motor homes outside. Those are the handlers. There are also a couple hundred women in their 40s and 50s, wearing denim skirts covered in dog drool, who obviously cut their own hair and haven't spent a hundred bucks on clothing in years. They finish up and walk outside to ten-year-old Chevys. THOSE are the owners and breeders, and they're loading up one or two dogs and counting what's in their purses to see if they can afford McDonalds on the way home. Their dog may have just taken a Group 1, and their entry fees for the weekend were hundreds, but it doesn't mean it was easy for them to do.

There's no secret program whereby you can make money on well-bred dogs, no hidden agenda and twirling of mustachios as we run to the bank. This applies across all the disciplines; I've had the exact same discussion with versatile hunting dog breeders and with SAR breeders and with service dog breeders and with agility breeders and herding/working breeders. If you strive to produce the best, you throw money away every single year.

 

[Chic-n-farmer]

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Yeah. That sounds good until the pups get here..... then they won't be able to give them up......

 

[Candiss]

Joanne,

Amen to what you said, I have shown AKC and produced and shown my dogs to CH titles, it is hard work and you never make money on a litter. Anything I am responsible for bringing into this world, I am responsible for through out their lifetime. I also feel that if you are a breeder, you should contribute in one way or another to rescue.

Candace

 

[arabianequine]

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Exactly and guess what not directed at you rebel but we don't eat them either! And still being done thats why these threads are pointless because everybody is gonna keep breeding everything so do what you want to do and that is all you can do.

 

[Mahonri]

While I'd love to have a male pup out of my beautiful dog, I won't be breeding her, and after having read through two dog breeding threads this one and the other one from today, when our Lilly passes, we won't be getting another dog.

What I've taken away from it all is that the vast majority (not all of course) of those who "breed" dogs "professionally" are either selfish, holier than thou snobs or pond scum.... or both.