D'uccle Thread

[mymilliefleur]

A millie fleur does not have a Lav gene it is wheaten, gold, columbian, and mottling.
Millie Fleur (Col/Col) X Porcelain (Lav/Lav)
Offspring = Millie Fleur (Dom Col/Rec Lav) aka mille look, genetically split to porcelain

These are the genetics as far as i know:

Millie Fleur - Col/Col
Porcelain - Lav/Lav (black and columbian dilution)
Blue - Col/Splash (1 black dilution)
Golden Neck - Col/White (1 dominant white)
Splash - splash/splash (2 black dilution)
White - white/white (2 dominant white)
Black - Black/Black

To get a blue you need
Blue (Col/Splash) X Blue (Col/Splash) = Blue (Col/Splash)
Blue (Col/Splash) X Splash (Splash/Splash) = 50% Blue (Col/Splash) 50% Splash (Splash/Splash)
Black (BL/BL) X Blue (Col/Splash) = 50% Black split to Mille Fleur 50% Black split to Splash

Believe that is all correct, feel free to correct it if it isnt!!!

Wow! I'll have to copy and paste that some where. I'll never remember all that!

He is adorable!!

X2!

 

[SkylineFarms]

A millie fleur does not have a Lav gene it is wheaten, gold, columbian, and mottling.
Millie Fleur (Col/Col) X Porcelain (Lav/Lav)
Offspring = Millie Fleur (Dom Col/Rec Lav) aka mille look, genetically split to porcelain

These are the genetics as far as i know:

Millie Fleur - Col/Col
Porcelain - Lav/Lav (black and columbian dilution)
Blue - Col/Splash (1 black dilution)
Golden Neck - Col/White (1 dominant white)
Splash - splash/splash (2 black dilution)
White - white/white (2 dominant white)
Black - Black/Black

To get a blue you need
Blue (Col/Splash) X Blue (Col/Splash) = Blue (Col/Splash)
Blue (Col/Splash) X Splash (Splash/Splash) = 50% Blue (Col/Splash) 50% Splash (Splash/Splash)
Black (BL/BL) X Blue (Col/Splash) = 50% Black split to Mille Fleur 50% Black split to Splash

Believe that is all correct, feel free to correct it if it isnt!!!

You are technically correct but some of your genes are off. All color genes have two halves. Blue is Bl/bl, Columbian is Co/Co, etc. So instead of Co/Splash (the gene that is responsible for Splash and Blue coloration is called Blue, not Splash) it would be written as Co/Co Bl/bl (Blue Mille Fleur) and Co/White would be written as Co/Co I/I (True Golden Neck).

Also, I had the genes wrong for Lavender, lol. A porcelain is lav/lav, not Lav/Lav, as Lavender is recessive.

The colors below are all "Gold-Based" and are all genetically e+/e+ (Wildtype) s/s (Gold) Ig/Ig (Recessive Cream) Co/Co (Columbian) mo/mo (Mottled) Rb+/Rb+ (Recessive Black) i/i (Dominant White). Unless you are breeding to a color that is not listed below, then you don't need to worry about these genes as they are all the same. The differences between these varieties is caused by the differences in the blue and lavender genes that are listed beside of them.

Millie Fleur - bl/bl (Blue) Lav/Lav (Lavendar)
Porcelain - bl/bl lav/lav
Blue Mille Fleur - Bl/bl Lav/Lav (Not to be confused with the Blue/Blue Mottled color D'uccle, which is Black-Based)
Splash "Golden Neck" - Bl/Bl Lav/Lav (True Golden Neck is based on Dominant White Gene I/I. I do believe it is a Gold-Based color as well but I don't see the genes for it on the source I am using so I will not list it here.)

To get blue you will need to breed in the Blue gene. Since Porcelain is a Lavender-based color that does not carry the Blue gene, breeding Porcelain with Mille Fleur will not accomplish this.

Splash "Golden Neck" (Bl/Bl) x Mille Fleur (bl/bl) = 100% Blue Mille Fleur
Splash "Golden Neck" (Bl/Bl) x Blue Mille Fleur (Bl/bl) = 50% Splash, 50% Blue Mille Fleur
Blue Mille Fleur (Bl/bl) x Mille Fleur (bl/bl) = 50% Mille Fleur, 50% Blue Mille Fleur
Blue Mille Fleur (Bl/bl) x Blue Mille Fleur (Bl/bl) = 25% Splash, 50% Blue Mille Fleur, 25% Mille Fleur

You can also use Porcelains in place of the Mille Fleurs on this chart. The only difference is that the offspring will be split for Lavender (Lav/lav) and you will be able to breed more Porcelains by breeding these Lav/lav birds together or back to another Porcelain.

I would never advise breeding a non-gold based bird, such as a black, to a gold-based because it would take many generations to get the colors pure again.

Source: http://www.edelras.nl/belgians/genetics.htm

 

[chickenman5024]

So just making sure if I breed a mille fleur to a white i would get a golden neck. If I breed that goldenneck back to a mille fleur I would get blue mille fleur

 

[SkylineFarms]

No. You do not need to breed to a White.

There are two types of Golden Neck.
Splash Golden Neck and Dominant White Golden Neck.
They both look visually similar, but are based on different genes. Dominate White Golden Neck does NOT carry blue, so you will not get Blue Mille Fleur from breeding to this type.

Splash Golden Neck is the one you will need to breed your Mille Fleurs to because Splash Golden Neck DOES carry the blue gene.

Hope this helps!

Ideal Poultry carries both Blue Mille Fleurs and Golden Necks. I do not know if their Golden Necks are Blue-based or Dominate White, however. You would have to email them and ask if you were interested in their birds.

 

[chickenman5024]

Sorry I have all the genetic questions in the world today but what would I get if I breed a white to a mille fleur

 

[mymilliefleur]

You are technically correct but some of your genes are off. All color genes have two halves. Blue is Bl/bl, Columbian is Co/Co, etc. So instead of Co/Splash (the gene that is responsible for Splash and Blue coloration is called Blue, not Splash) it would be written as Co/Co Bl/bl (Blue Mille Fleur) and Co/White would be written as Co/Co I/I (True Golden Neck).

Also, I had the genes wrong for Lavender, lol. A porcelain is lav/lav, not Lav/Lav, as Lavender is recessive.

The colors below are all "Gold-Based" and are all genetically e+/e+ (Wildtype) s/s (Gold) Ig/Ig (Recessive Cream) Co/Co (Columbian) mo/mo (Mottled) Rb+/Rb+ (Recessive Black) i/i (Dominant White). Unless you are breeding to a color that is not listed below, then you don't need to worry about these genes as they are all the same. The differences between these varieties is caused by the differences in the blue and lavender genes that are listed beside of them.

Millie Fleur - bl/bl (Blue) Lav/Lav (Lavendar)
Porcelain - bl/bl lav/lav
Blue Mille Fleur - Bl/bl Lav/Lav (Not to be confused with the Blue/Blue Mottled color D'uccle, which is Black-Based)
Splash "Golden Neck" - Bl/Bl Lav/Lav (True Golden Neck is based on Dominant White Gene I/I. I do believe it is a Gold-Based color as well but I don't see the genes for it on the source I am using so I will not list it here.)

To get blue you will need to breed in the Blue gene. Since Porcelain is a Lavender-based color that does not carry the Blue gene, breeding Porcelain with Mille Fleur will not accomplish this.

Splash "Golden Neck" (Bl/Bl) x Mille Fleur (bl/bl) = 100% Blue Mille Fleur
Splash "Golden Neck" (Bl/Bl) x Blue Mille Fleur (Bl/bl) = 50% Splash, 50% Blue Mille Fleur
Blue Mille Fleur (Bl/bl) x Mille Fleur (bl/bl) = 50% Mille Fleur, 50% Blue Mille Fleur
Blue Mille Fleur (Bl/bl) x Blue Mille Fleur (Bl/bl) = 25% Splash, 50% Blue Mille Fleur, 25% Mille Fleur

You can also use Porcelains in place of the Mille Fleurs on this chart. The only difference is that the offspring will be split for Lavender (Lav/lav) and you will be able to breed more Porcelains by breeding these Lav/lav birds together or back to another Porcelain.

I would never advise breeding a non-gold based bird, such as a black, to a gold-based because it would take many generations to get the colors pure again.

Source: http://www.edelras.nl/belgians/genetics.htm

Very interesting! Thank you.

 

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[misfitmorgan]

i was trying to keep the "genes" simple because it gets confusing fast when you add all the double sets of genes. Your is more accurate, i have seen the website you referenced many times myself and it is a good sight.

The Splash i was talking about is not the golden necks....i was meaning the blue splashes that appear visually blue with white mottling Like this:
http://cdn.backyardchickens.com/e/e0/900x900px-LL-e0274d12_IMAG0397.jpeg

Also Ideal has both true golden necks and what your calling splash golden necks, so you could end up with either or..basically they are not set up to keep all the genes seperate, so you could end up with a MF looking bird split to any of the other colors potentially.

 

[chickenman5024]

Azer do you have any hatching eggs for sale?

 

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