I love the d'uccle! Don't own any, but have had experience with a absolutely sweet rooster, who sadly passed of an eye disease....
D'uccle Thread
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Have never seen them.
They're not a 'showable' color, at least in the US. Do you have any pics?
I want them for genetic reasons, the are just a millie fluer with the cream gene in them. Plan to use them in the d'anver projects I work on for the new color
No pics here, do s google image search though, they pop up like crazy there, beautiful!
Have never seen them.
They're not a 'showable' color, at least in the US. Do you have any pics?
I want them for genetic reasons, the are just a millie fluer with the cream gene in them. Plan to use them in the d'anver projects I work on for the new color
No pics here, do s google image search though, they pop up like crazy there, beautiful!
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Hey Gypsy-lion, I have a genetics question I don't care to post on the genetic thread:
My 'wild child' is 1/2 lav, 1/2 mf. If I cross to a gold & white goldneck do you think I'll get gn, or blue mf?
And if I cross the wildchild with a cream d'uccle, do you think there's a chance of getting porcelains?
I won't know until spring, as the goldnecks are only about 6-8 weeks old (little sisters of Acid_chipmunk's soon-to-be goldnecks).
Most of my project crosses of lav x mf are gold-laced. I don't know exactly how to program that into the calculator, but have been playing wth it. I am not getting ANY true mottleds from the crossing, and very few black birds (strictly hens) and an amazing number of pullets with a little bit of rooster tail-feathering. Weird....
Will try and get some pics to illustrate this.
I'm very flattered you asked me! Unfortunately, I don't have a solid answer for you...
I don't know how the goldneck or cream genes work yet... so far I feel like I really only understand the MF/Porc genes, and maybe a little of the mottled and self-blue. I'm interested to see the pics of what you're getting, tho! If I come across any better info as I'm researching, I'll definitely let you know.
havent seen "wild child" but if it's 1/2 lav and 1/2 millie, it should be black
to get porcelain, you could breed it back to another millie/lav split
it usually takes about 3 years to lavender pattern a bird
if you breed them to goldneck though, the dominate white in the gold neck will cancel out all black and blue colors, so you will just get more goldneck.
as for the lack of mottleing, that's to be expected on a split mottled bird, mottled is rec. gene and takes a double dose for it to show up.
as far as the gold neck color, it is millie fluer crossed to dominate white, the dom, white dilutes the body color to that gold we like so much, but the dominate white will always over ride all black based colors, so it's no good for your intended breeding.
as for the cream gene, it will not give any chance at porcelain either, it will give you the lemon cream millies. It is a diluter of gold, turns it cream.
to get to porcelain
breed a millie to a laveneder
you should get all black F1 birds reguardless of color used.
back breed those
OR
breed back to lavender 1 year this will give you lavenders and more blcks.
use only the lavenders now (some will be split mottled, some just lavender, no way to know without breeding)
anyway, now take those lavenders and breed back to your millies
you will get some of a little bit of all of them then, but yes porcelain will come out from the ones that were lavender split to mottled then.
Hey Gypsy-lion, I have a genetics question I don't care to post on the genetic thread:
My 'wild child' is 1/2 lav, 1/2 mf. If I cross to a gold & white goldneck do you think I'll get gn, or blue mf?
And if I cross the wildchild with a cream d'uccle, do you think there's a chance of getting porcelains?
I won't know until spring, as the goldnecks are only about 6-8 weeks old (little sisters of Acid_chipmunk's soon-to-be goldnecks).
Most of my project crosses of lav x mf are gold-laced. I don't know exactly how to program that into the calculator, but have been playing wth it. I am not getting ANY true mottleds from the crossing, and very few black birds (strictly hens) and an amazing number of pullets with a little bit of rooster tail-feathering. Weird....
Will try and get some pics to illustrate this.
I'm very flattered you asked me! Unfortunately, I don't have a solid answer for you...
I don't know how the goldneck or cream genes work yet... so far I feel like I really only understand the MF/Porc genes, and maybe a little of the mottled and self-blue. I'm interested to see the pics of what you're getting, tho! If I come across any better info as I'm researching, I'll definitely let you know.
havent seen "wild child" but if it's 1/2 lav and 1/2 millie, it should be black
to get porcelain, you could breed it back to another millie/lav split
it usually takes about 3 years to lavender pattern a bird
if you breed them to goldneck though, the dominate white in the gold neck will cancel out all black and blue colors, so you will just get more goldneck.
as for the lack of mottleing, that's to be expected on a split mottled bird, mottled is rec. gene and takes a double dose for it to show up.
as far as the gold neck color, it is millie fluer crossed to dominate white, the dom, white dilutes the body color to that gold we like so much, but the dominate white will always over ride all black based colors, so it's no good for your intended breeding.
as for the cream gene, it will not give any chance at porcelain either, it will give you the lemon cream millies. It is a diluter of gold, turns it cream.
to get to porcelain
breed a millie to a laveneder
you should get all black F1 birds reguardless of color used.
back breed those
OR
breed back to lavender 1 year this will give you lavenders and more blcks.
use only the lavenders now (some will be split mottled, some just lavender, no way to know without breeding)
anyway, now take those lavenders and breed back to your millies
you will get some of a little bit of all of them then, but yes porcelain will come out from the ones that were lavender split to mottled then.
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Have never seen them.
They're not a 'showable' color, at least in the US. Do you have any pics?
I want them for genetic reasons, the are just a millie fluer with the cream gene in them. Plan to use them in the d'anver projects I work on for the new color
No pics here, do s google image search though, they pop up like crazy there, beautiful!
What you describe sounds a lot like the pale version of goldneck, that I've also seen referred to as mottled cream.
Will have to look into this. It sounds similar to what I envision for butterscotch.
I have an adorable butterscotch girl that I have high hopes for, eventually....
Have never seen them.
They're not a 'showable' color, at least in the US. Do you have any pics?
I want them for genetic reasons, the are just a millie fluer with the cream gene in them. Plan to use them in the d'anver projects I work on for the new color
No pics here, do s google image search though, they pop up like crazy there, beautiful!
What you describe sounds a lot like the pale version of goldneck, that I've also seen referred to as mottled cream.
Will have to look into this. It sounds similar to what I envision for butterscotch.
I have an adorable butterscotch girl that I have high hopes for, eventually....
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What you say is what the calculator showed. BUT
I don't think the d'Uccle mille fleur is true to the henk calculations.
I got predominantly black birds, 80% with anywhere from 10% to 75% (wildchild) gold lacing. The few birds with extreme gold lacing also have white lacing on their chests. Not mottling, but lacing.
Most should be split to lav, and will be crossed to each other and with one lav hen that had acceptable, strong, feathering. My main goal is to get to a lavender with tight, high quality feathering.
But I haven't the tweak for the Henk cal that shows the actual results I got by my lav x mf crossing.
And this lacing runs true for the mf x lav AND the lav x mf. So I think this has to be tied to the mf.
I will put my wild child with the young goldneck pullets I'm keeping. I would like to have more goldnecks
And I have a 'science partner' who will be putting 3 of my gold-laced birds (highest percentage of lacing) in with a rooster sired by my mf roo who sired 1/2 the project birds. I want to see if the mahogany comes back, or if the gold-lacing stays dominant.
I know the heritage of my mille fleurs going back a ways.
The lavenders were hatchery, and I suspect the poufy feathering is due to cochin in the family tree. That there was hidden mottling or lacing there is contributing to what I'm seeing in my project birds. I'm just trying to figure out how it will express itself later on.
What you say is what the calculator showed. BUT
I don't think the d'Uccle mille fleur is true to the henk calculations.
I got predominantly black birds, 80% with anywhere from 10% to 75% (wildchild) gold lacing. The few birds with extreme gold lacing also have white lacing on their chests. Not mottling, but lacing.
Most should be split to lav, and will be crossed to each other and with one lav hen that had acceptable, strong, feathering. My main goal is to get to a lavender with tight, high quality feathering.
But I haven't the tweak for the Henk cal that shows the actual results I got by my lav x mf crossing.
And this lacing runs true for the mf x lav AND the lav x mf. So I think this has to be tied to the mf.
I will put my wild child with the young goldneck pullets I'm keeping. I would like to have more goldnecks
And I have a 'science partner' who will be putting 3 of my gold-laced birds (highest percentage of lacing) in with a rooster sired by my mf roo who sired 1/2 the project birds. I want to see if the mahogany comes back, or if the gold-lacing stays dominant.
I know the heritage of my mille fleurs going back a ways.
The lavenders were hatchery, and I suspect the poufy feathering is due to cochin in the family tree. That there was hidden mottling or lacing there is contributing to what I'm seeing in my project birds. I'm just trying to figure out how it will express itself later on.
Quote:
What you say is what the calculator showed. BUT
I don't think the d'Uccle mille fleur is true to the henk calculations.
I got predominantly black birds, 80% with anywhere from 10% to 75% (wildchild) gold lacing. The few birds with extreme gold lacing also have white lacing on their chests. Not mottling, but lacing.
Most should be split to lav, and will be crossed to each other and with one lav hen that had acceptable, strong, feathering. My main goal is to get to a lavender with tight, high quality feathering.
But I haven't the tweak for the Henk cal that shows the actual results I got by my lav x mf crossing.
And this lacing runs true for the mf x lav AND the lav x mf. So I think this has to be tied to the mf.
I will put my wild child with the young goldneck pullets I'm keeping. I would like to have more goldnecks
And I have a 'science partner' who will be putting 3 of my gold-laced birds (highest percentage of lacing) in with a rooster sired by my mf roo who sired 1/2 the project birds. I want to see if the mahogany comes back, or if the gold-lacing stays dominant.
I know the heritage of my mille fleurs going back a ways.
The lavenders were hatchery, and I suspect the poufy feathering is due to cochin in the family tree. That there was hidden mottling or lacing there is contributing to what I'm seeing in my project birds. I'm just trying to figure out how it will express itself later on.
Your "Wild Child" if like mine "WC", will continue to produce the self expressed milli pat with your gn hens, but you will also get gn's from that breeding. My Wild Child is a Lemon Mille and I hope to work with Aubrey to help with his program to get the color. Count on the lacing being dominant over your mahogany colors too. Hope everyone is doing well with their programs and projects. Take care...
What you say is what the calculator showed. BUT
I don't think the d'Uccle mille fleur is true to the henk calculations.
I got predominantly black birds, 80% with anywhere from 10% to 75% (wildchild) gold lacing. The few birds with extreme gold lacing also have white lacing on their chests. Not mottling, but lacing.
Most should be split to lav, and will be crossed to each other and with one lav hen that had acceptable, strong, feathering. My main goal is to get to a lavender with tight, high quality feathering.
But I haven't the tweak for the Henk cal that shows the actual results I got by my lav x mf crossing.
And this lacing runs true for the mf x lav AND the lav x mf. So I think this has to be tied to the mf.
I will put my wild child with the young goldneck pullets I'm keeping. I would like to have more goldnecks
And I have a 'science partner' who will be putting 3 of my gold-laced birds (highest percentage of lacing) in with a rooster sired by my mf roo who sired 1/2 the project birds. I want to see if the mahogany comes back, or if the gold-lacing stays dominant.
I know the heritage of my mille fleurs going back a ways.
The lavenders were hatchery, and I suspect the poufy feathering is due to cochin in the family tree. That there was hidden mottling or lacing there is contributing to what I'm seeing in my project birds. I'm just trying to figure out how it will express itself later on.
Your "Wild Child" if like mine "WC", will continue to produce the self expressed milli pat with your gn hens, but you will also get gn's from that breeding. My Wild Child is a Lemon Mille and I hope to work with Aubrey to help with his program to get the color. Count on the lacing being dominant over your mahogany colors too. Hope everyone is doing well with their programs and projects. Take care...
Quote:
What you say is what the calculator showed. BUT
I don't think the d'Uccle mille fleur is true to the henk calculations.
I got predominantly black birds, 80% with anywhere from 10% to 75% (wildchild) gold lacing. The few birds with extreme gold lacing also have white lacing on their chests. Not mottling, but lacing.
Most should be split to lav, and will be crossed to each other and with one lav hen that had acceptable, strong, feathering. My main goal is to get to a lavender with tight, high quality feathering.
But I haven't the tweak for the Henk cal that shows the actual results I got by my lav x mf crossing.
And this lacing runs true for the mf x lav AND the lav x mf. So I think this has to be tied to the mf.
I will put my wild child with the young goldneck pullets I'm keeping. I would like to have more goldnecks
And I have a 'science partner' who will be putting 3 of my gold-laced birds (highest percentage of lacing) in with a rooster sired by my mf roo who sired 1/2 the project birds. I want to see if the mahogany comes back, or if the gold-lacing stays dominant.
I know the heritage of my mille fleurs going back a ways.
The lavenders were hatchery, and I suspect the poufy feathering is due to cochin in the family tree. That there was hidden mottling or lacing there is contributing to what I'm seeing in my project birds. I'm just trying to figure out how it will express itself later on.
Your "Wild Child" if like mine "WC", will continue to produce the self expressed milli pat with your gn hens, but you will also get gn's from that breeding. My Wild Child is a Lemon Mille and I hope to work with Aubrey to help with his program to get the color. Count on the lacing being dominant over your mahogany colors too. Hope everyone is doing well with their programs and projects. Take care...
Gypsylions and Gypsychics!
I can't keep all you gypsies straight....
Thanks for the input. I need to get some new pics of my wc to check if I have a lemon or a gold....
What you say is what the calculator showed. BUT
I don't think the d'Uccle mille fleur is true to the henk calculations.
I got predominantly black birds, 80% with anywhere from 10% to 75% (wildchild) gold lacing. The few birds with extreme gold lacing also have white lacing on their chests. Not mottling, but lacing.
Most should be split to lav, and will be crossed to each other and with one lav hen that had acceptable, strong, feathering. My main goal is to get to a lavender with tight, high quality feathering.
But I haven't the tweak for the Henk cal that shows the actual results I got by my lav x mf crossing.
And this lacing runs true for the mf x lav AND the lav x mf. So I think this has to be tied to the mf.
I will put my wild child with the young goldneck pullets I'm keeping. I would like to have more goldnecks
And I have a 'science partner' who will be putting 3 of my gold-laced birds (highest percentage of lacing) in with a rooster sired by my mf roo who sired 1/2 the project birds. I want to see if the mahogany comes back, or if the gold-lacing stays dominant.
I know the heritage of my mille fleurs going back a ways.
The lavenders were hatchery, and I suspect the poufy feathering is due to cochin in the family tree. That there was hidden mottling or lacing there is contributing to what I'm seeing in my project birds. I'm just trying to figure out how it will express itself later on.
Your "Wild Child" if like mine "WC", will continue to produce the self expressed milli pat with your gn hens, but you will also get gn's from that breeding. My Wild Child is a Lemon Mille and I hope to work with Aubrey to help with his program to get the color. Count on the lacing being dominant over your mahogany colors too. Hope everyone is doing well with their programs and projects. Take care...
Gypsylions and Gypsychics!
I can't keep all you gypsies straight....
Thanks for the input. I need to get some new pics of my wc to check if I have a lemon or a gold....
I think we need pictures of all these fancy Duccles!!!
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Your "Wild Child" if like mine "WC", will continue to produce the self expressed milli pat with your gn hens, but you will also get gn's from that breeding. My Wild Child is a Lemon Mille and I hope to work with Aubrey to help with his program to get the color. Count on the lacing being dominant over your mahogany colors too. Hope everyone is doing well with their programs and projects. Take care...
Gypsylions and Gypsychics!
I can't keep all you gypsies straight....
Thanks for the input. I need to get some new pics of my wc to check if I have a lemon or a gold....
More people with lemons must see them........
Got to like pictures.
Your "Wild Child" if like mine "WC", will continue to produce the self expressed milli pat with your gn hens, but you will also get gn's from that breeding. My Wild Child is a Lemon Mille and I hope to work with Aubrey to help with his program to get the color. Count on the lacing being dominant over your mahogany colors too. Hope everyone is doing well with their programs and projects. Take care...
Gypsylions and Gypsychics!
I can't keep all you gypsies straight....
Thanks for the input. I need to get some new pics of my wc to check if I have a lemon or a gold....
More people with lemons must see them........
Got to like pictures.
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