D'uccle Thread

[wegotchickens]

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[chickiemommy]

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I am so sorry for your loss.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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I want them for genetic reasons, the are just a millie fluer with the cream gene in them. Plan to use them in the d'anver projects I work on for the new color

No pics here, do s google image search though, they pop up like crazy there, beautiful!

What you describe sounds a lot like the pale version of goldneck, that I've also seen referred to as mottled cream.
Will have to look into this. It sounds similar to what I envision for butterscotch.
I have an adorable butterscotch girl that I have high hopes for, eventually....

nope nothing like that. It looks like a porcelain with all black spots and tail like millies have instead of the lavender.
The cream gene is just a diluter of the gold in them, and trys it cream.
Loads of pics on the web of them, just dont have any til I get some from GypsyChick, but would like multiple lines to work with.


Unless I am wrong, the millies should be just like Henk discribed. The shouldnt have lacing in them if pure to the color to start, could be wrong, my d'anvers dont.
But to remedy that on the calculator
when you go to the calculate crossing section, all those genetic codes under the pics, allow you to change and add, you can add lacing into any of them and contiue the cross to see what happens, Just have to play with it a little

 

[Gypsylion]

I'd love to see pics of what you guys are describing... they sound *really* interesting!

(And you guys are making me wish I had kept my lav roo to cross w/ my MF/porc split hens...)

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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u're in luck, I was just rounding one up off the web to post here.
Obviously not mine, this is a breeder's in the UK

but this is a lemon cream millie fluer


Note the use of any goldneck is impossible to use to creat these, because goldneck is a dominate white cross of a millie fluer. You could make a similar bird using goldnecks, but it would have all white spots and tail as the dominate white will replace the black when using goldneck.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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What you say is what the calculator showed. BUT
I don't think the d'Uccle mille fleur is true to the henk calculations.
I got predominantly black birds, 80% with anywhere from 10% to 75% (wildchild) gold lacing. The few birds with extreme gold lacing also have white lacing on their chests. Not mottling, but lacing.

Most should be split to lav, and will be crossed to each other and with one lav hen that had acceptable, strong, feathering. My main goal is to get to a lavender with tight, high quality feathering.

But I haven't the tweak for the Henk cal that shows the actual results I got by my lav x mf crossing.
And this lacing runs true for the mf x lav AND the lav x mf. So I think this has to be tied to the mf.

I will put my wild child with the young goldneck pullets I'm keeping. I would like to have more goldnecks

And I have a 'science partner' who will be putting 3 of my gold-laced birds (highest percentage of lacing) in with a rooster sired by my mf roo who sired 1/2 the project birds. I want to see if the mahogany comes back, or if the gold-lacing stays dominant.

I know the heritage of my mille fleurs going back a ways.
The lavenders were hatchery, and I suspect the poufy feathering is due to cochin in the family tree. That there was hidden mottling or lacing there is contributing to what I'm seeing in my project birds. I'm just trying to figure out how it will express itself later on.

as for your no molting, that's to be expected once you out cross a molted bird. Mottleing is recessive and they will have to now be crossed back to a mottle bird again to get back to the mottled over lacing. But still wonder where the lacing came from to start with???

I have used my millies to corss to gold laced birds. The result is all f1 gold laced split to mottled, makes me wonder if that was not the case with yours some where down the line?? With these new F1 gold laced split to mottled, you have to back breed them once, you will get about 1/2 gold laced then, and half millies again, but half of those millies will be split to laced. The laced is much more dominate than mottling, just wondering if that may be how the laced is coming up in yours??

Would love to see some pics of all of them too by the way.
I love working with colors. Got the d'anver up to 21 colors now, and about 12 new ones in F1 stage so far myself. 5 laced colors are part of what I am working on now, using millies to make most of them outcrossed to old english laced birds.

 

[Gypsylion]

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u're in luck, I was just rounding one up off the web to post here.
Obviously not mine, this is a breeder's in the UK

but this is a lemon cream millie fluer


Note the use of any goldneck is impossible to use to creat these, because goldneck is a dominate white cross of a millie fluer. You could make a similar bird using goldnecks, but it would have all white spots and tail as the dominate white will replace the black when using goldneck.

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii168/BoggyBottomBantams/randam stuff/lemon.jpg

Yeah okay... these are the same thing that many call Citroen/Citron/Citrus or Lemon mille fleur. I've mostly heard "cream" used to describe a bird that is a more uniform ivory/cream color... possibly with white mottling, but definitely no black.

Here's a feather site pic of a "cream mottled" hen and another of "cream d'uccles" from Australia.

ETA: And yes, we ALL want one! DougtheChickenMan has a Lemon MF roo, I believe, and at least a few of the rest of us are scheming how to get some of them in this country.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

yep, just lemon millie fluer is the most common name I have hear them called by here and over seas, but have seen citron used on some before too.

 

[lilcrow]

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Howdy folks, I sure wish this was being discussed on the genetics thread. I realize the concern about running into folks that can be critical, but so far I don't think there had been much of that, but I could have missed something.
Anyway.............. on to my question. Are you certain that all GN's are genetically constructed with the dominant white gene? I have a very cute GN pullet that I'm planning to put with my MF's. My hope is that I will acquire the Andalusian gene so that I can get Blue MF and of course GN. It was my understanding that GN is or can be the splash version of Mille Fleur.
Nancy

 

[wegotchickens]

lilcrow, Henk accused us of muddying a perfectly good thread. Since a lot of this is 'babbling' about our hypothesis and what we're trying for, I moved to this thread so I could babble on without upsetting the experts.

Boggy, my mille fleur are heritage birds from the Ron Tallent line. The person I got the eggs from got her birds from Ron, himself. I don't see how lacing could've gotten into them, unless he added it, and I find that to be unlikely.

But I will take advantage of it!

My project birds are still maturing. I'm rearranging my pens tomorrow night as I prep some birds to travel to KY & OH. I will try and get new pics of the 'projects' then. My plan for my 5 breeding pens, from Thursday and on:

1) MF: TN over my current Ron Tallent millies (3) and adding some from the Karl Urshel & Ron Tallent lines that I bought recently (4).
2) MF: TN Jr over the other new millies (7).
3) Project: 3 mildly laced cockerals with black or mildly laced pullets (8, I think), and one lav hen.
4) Mixed d'Uccle: Extravagantly laced cockeral, 2 mf cockerals. 2 goldneck pullets, cream pullet, heavily laced project pullet, 2 mf pullets.
5) Silkie / Showgirl pen

I get better $ in this area for their chicks. So they are 'feeding' the d'Uccles.

I plan to hatch a LOT of eggs from pen 3 in 2011!! I hope to get a good supply of lavender d'Uccles, and build from there.

This is my parti-colored wild child, throwing out his chest a few weeks ago. His name shall henceforth be Party Boy. If there are birds getting into trouble, he's leading them...

Here's a picture of Party Boy leading his buddies on a raid into the goldneck coop. The lacing doesn't show up as well in this pic, but if you look closely at the girls you can kind of see it.