Dumbest Things People Have Said About Your Chickens/Eggs/Meat - Part 2 : Chicken Boogaloo.

[ShrekDawg]

Although that said, I thought I read once that a lot of the animals are actually extreme behavior or medical cases that cant be rehomed anyway and the shelter itself is specifically to kill not adopt so the numbers are skewed? I could be wrong. Either way, theyve also been known to stage videos too. Like they paid someone to make the sheep bleed sheering it so they can say sheering is bloody....

 

[ShrekDawg]

Also i looked up coconut palm syrup and agave syrup/nectar while i was at the store and almost bought it and agave is just as bad for you as sugar. So if you're doing it for health reasons, don't lol and i had no idea rainforests were being destroyed for organic farming.

https://authoritynutrition.com/agave-nectar-is-even-worse-than-sugar/

https://authoritynutrition.com/coconut-sugar/

 

[SunHwaKwon]

I do have to say, however, believe it or not we and PETA are really on the same side. We all work toward the same thing- better welfare for animals. If someone lives in the city and doesn't have access to fresh, locally raised meat, I commend then for taking PETA's advice and going vegan. The organization has helped animal rights quite a lot, and I have to give that to them.

It is two sides to the same coin. We give animal good treatment while they live, PETA tries to make sure that other animals are treated better than they are.

I agree. I can't say that there is any organization that I fully agree with every single thing they say or promote; however, that doesn't mean that all of their efforts and information should be discounted.

If I were single I would be getting more and more away from eating meat. My husband would not be on board with that, though. I cook our extra roosters, as much as I hate the killing part. I get solace in knowing that they had a good happy health life and that is just that much less chicken I will buy from the grocery store.

Between welfare, disease, disease resistance, resource use, and waste, the commercial food animal industry is atrocious.

 

[Bantambird]

https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/farm-ranch/the-vegan-ecological-wasteland/
I liked this article, written up about a former traditional multi crop farmstead incorporating animals into the equation transformed into a vegan monocrop. Veganic farming kills soils and wildlife.

 

[ShrekDawg]

I will agree that it gets a lot of people to go vegetarian or vegan because they don't know the truth about the group and no matter how they get there, it is good that they are changing their diet. The factory farms ARE atrocious so it's good there's awareness.

BUT.

They also use scare tactics and stage videos and photos to put in those fliers. I'd rather be educated on the atrocities in a calm, respectable manner and decide for myself. And the factory farms are already bad enough to speak for themselves without scare tactics and staging stuff.

And they've also been known to hand out graphic fliers to little kids saying mommy and daddy are murderers......

And they poisoned some dogs at a dog show with anti freeze a few years ago....

None of that is right whatsoever and I can't support that....

HOWEVER.

I think we all need to step back and look at the big picture. Yes the organization might be bad but lots don't know that and it is still causing lots of people to think about where their food comes from and consider going vegetarian or vegan and that is a good thing.

But that said I have heard it said PETA, HSUS, and ASPCA are terrorist organizations lol not sure where I stand on that

 

[ShrekDawg]

https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/farm-ranch/the-vegan-ecological-wasteland/
I liked this article, written up about a former traditional multi crop farmstead incorporating animals into the equation transformed into a vegan monocrop. Veganic farming kills soils and wildlife.

Wow

 

[SunHwaKwon]

PETA is not an animal welfare group, they are an animal rights group, and believe it or not, there is a difference. They are guided by the belief that animals are equal to humans, and use this to justify the most bizarrely cruel and repulsive behavior both toward people and pets. They run one of the largest kill shelters in the country, euthanizing hundreds of otherwise healthy, adoptable pets every year because they believe death is the better option. Some numbers put their kill rate as high as 85%. They have been known to steal pets off their owner's porches to bring to these shelters. I've known several who forced a "vegan" diet on their cats, an animal that is an obligate carnivore and will die without meat.

HSUS is dedicated to the elimination of domestic animals. If you don't believe me, here are some choice quotes from their president, Wayne Pacelle:

“We have no problem with the extinction of domestic animals.”

“If I had my personal view, perhaps that might take hold. In fact, I don’t want to see another dog or cat born.”

And one from former their former president, Michael Fox:

“The life of an ant and that of my child should be granted equal consideration.”

PETA and the HSUS do not educate. They fear monger and spread misinformation in order to gain public support and push an absolutely delusional agenda. My other hobby, reptile keeping, has been a favorite target of theirs as my pets are strange and scary to other people, and its hard to gain public support when you don't have a cute fluffy face to stick in a camera. We've been repeatedly targeted by ludicrous legislation banning harmless pets. If you think anyone from either of those organizations would want to pat your back and shake your hand for choosing ethical meat, you are sorely mistaken. They would spit on you and call you a murderer, just the same as a poor inner city kid in a food desert who doesn't even have the option of a vegan diet, a farmers' market, regular grocery store, or anything other than the over priced, half way to expired stuff stocked in a convenience store fridge in a gas station.

Oh, which brings me to a few other handy things they overlook when pushing that great vegan diet! The demand for organic produce is actually outstripping supply, and as a result many miles of vital rain forest are being cleared out to create farmland, furthering the decline of the environment. Many produce harvesters are migrant workers who are exploited by under payment in inhumane conditions. But that's okay, because a chicken is worth more than a human. Bees, which are necessary for pollination of 90% of the country's produce that vegans like to eat, are enslaved by those mean, awful humans that steal their honey. Humans need to stop keeping bees entirely. Instead they should use agave as a sweetener, even though the harvest of agave nectar is unsustainable, and places further pressures on local pollinator species such as bats. Wait, who will pollinate the crops? Well, nature will just take care of it! Duh! And who cares if you have allergies, or other food sensitivities or medical conditions, live in a place with little to no access to fresh produce, or are just too darn poor to afford a vegan diet, you're a murdering monster who should be punished if you don't do it anyway.

You make good points as well.

The "natural medicines" thing is also an issue. Obtaining these things is not done in a "tiptoe through the meadows" fashion. I won't say it always does, but the collection of such things is not without detrimental effects on the environment.

 

[SunHwaKwon]

I will agree that it gets a lot of people to go vegetarian or vegan because they don't know the truth about the group and no matter how they get there, it is good that they are changing their diet. The factory farms ARE atrocious so it's good there's awareness.

BUT.

They also use scare tactics and stage videos and photos to put in those fliers. I'd rather be educated on the atrocities in a calm, respectable manner and decide for myself. And the factory farms are already bad enough to speak for themselves without scare tactics and staging stuff.

And they've also been known to hand out graphic fliers to little kids saying mommy and daddy are murderers......

And they poisoned some dogs at a dog show with anti freeze a few years ago....

None of that is right whatsoever and I can't support that....

HOWEVER.

I think we all need to step back and look at the big picture. Yes the organization might be bad but lots don't know that and it is still causing lots of people to think about where their food comes from and consider going vegetarian or vegan and that is a good thing.

But that said I have heard it said PETA, HSUS, and ASPCA are terrorist organizations lol not sure where I stand on that

Well, what you've just described are acts of terrorism, if you assume their ultimate goal is to change laws ( terrorism - the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims)

 

[ShrekDawg]

Well, what you've just described are acts of terrorism, if you assume their ultimate goal is to change laws ( terrorism - [COLOR=222222]the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims)[/COLOR]

Hmmm that makes sense. And these are also huge lobbyists and influence lots of stuff so i guess they are. Sad cause so many just think they're the cute animal commercials. And actually, most of the money doesnt even go to the animals

 

[heatherlaw]

I find it interesting how much the meat industry is allowed to get away with considering how much our govornment likes to micro manage things. It jusy doesnt make any sense. I personaly do buy that kind of meat, but only because I have little choice at this point. I can not afford organic ethical meat, I lack the space to raise my own and I can't go vegetarian or vegan because I would die. I struggle to maintain my weight and if I were to cut out animal products and meat there is no way that I could keep going. Thats brings up another point. Often vegans can be downright mean about forcing their opinions on people without caring wether it is even a sustainable lifestyle for everyone. Some of us could not survive on that diet. If you want to be vegan, vegetarian, etc. you go for it. I am a meat eater and would like to be left to survive in my own way.