yes, seen the one guy recently having pigeons, but neither of us knows to much about them, and he says he just buys and sells, and knows theyre worth alot so sells for to much for not knowing anything about them, though one guy who has a pro setup, has awesome birds, and regret not getting some of his young, as was awwwd by the adults but didnt know he had the young ones in back that were trainable and cheaper. maybe ill just try to find a pair this monday if he is there, as he hasnt been last two or three i think, since ive been off of work again. thanks for the heads up! my young racer was starting to eat on his own for the first time this morning feeding, and i took him twice as far to see if hed fly right inside and to the cage, or loiter around, and he was back to his old self, but still slower. he is getting trained good to come to me if my hand or arm is out, and stay there to be petted etc, but will fly back to cage and not just come straight back to me if held and tossed or dropped (im not doing it as cruelly as it sounds).