EE/Ameraucana frustration

[BarnGoddess01]

The rules that apply to every other breed of animal on the planet, y'all don't want to apply to this one an its everyone else that is causing the problem... Maybe your wrong about who is actually out of touch with reality....

I can't help but wonder if you actually understand what a "breed" is. A "breed" is a man-made thing, defined by humans. Rules for inclusion in any particular breed are made up by those who engineered and maintain the "breed". The rules are not arbitrary - are not God given - and are NOT necessarily a birth-right. They are man made. It isn't you that gets to decide - regardless of what you choose to reproduce or believe.

 

[redhen]

The rules that apply to every other breed of animal on the planet, y'all don't want to apply to this one an its everyone else that is causing the problem...  Maybe your wrong about who is actually out of touch with reality....

Bwhahahahha i agree. Thats WHY the Ameraucana debate/problems will NEVER end... it makes NO sense to most people. Even to some of those that BREED them!

 

[Bullitt]

Why I love Araucanas - There's NO confusing them with other breeds.

An "Easter Egger" is any chicken that possesses the "blue egg" gene, but doesn't fully meet the breed standards of the APA or ABA. So a chicken that doesn't fully meet the Araucana standards is also an "Easter Egger." I do not know if the confusion happens less with Araucanas though.

Or did you mean "recognized" breeds?

By the way, can anyone sell me that Rhode Island Red with white spots? (Hint. It wouldn't be a Rhode Island Red if it had white spots.)

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

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Apparently you don't understand what a breed is. A breed can be a man made thing an it can happen in nature. A breed is anything that breeds true most of the time. 76% gets quoted a lot but the numbers are not always agreed on. But the general rule predates recorded history. It does not require anyone to tell it its a breed or anyone to make rules for it to be a breed. It is because it does.

In humans we call it race but its the exact same thing.. I am white cause My parents were white. My color has nothing to do with the name.

My dogs are pugs cause all there ancestors were pugs. The look nothing like there ancestors though cause standards have changed them. But no one looks at 300 year old painting of pugs an says that there not the same breed. Looks denote quotability of show worthiness but blood denotes breed.

You can make all the rules you want for what is a show animal. Don't let reality get in the way. Just don't expect the rest of the world to except your rules a law.



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[chickened]

Very good point and to add that this is where the ABC should step up to the plate to educate all chicken owners to the SOP for Ameraucanas.

People HAVE contacted hatcheries to get them to change their names, more than you'd think, to ask them to stop calling their EEs Ameraucanas and Araucanas. But hatcheries don't, for one reason: MONEY! They are profiting from the deceptive practice of calling their colored egg layers by established breeds.

 

[Illia]

An "Easter Egger" is any chicken that possesses the "blue egg" gene, but doesn't fully meet the breed standards of the APA or ABA. So a chicken that doesn't fully meet the Araucana standards is also an "Easter Egger." I do not know if the confusion happens less with Araucanas though.

Or did you mean "recognized" breeds?

By the way, can anyone sell me that Rhode Island Red with white spots? (Hint. It wouldn't be a Rhode Island Red if it had white spots.)

Is it rumpless, pea-combed, yellow or willow shanked, yellow skinned, beardless, and fitting decently well to the SOP without having other disqualifying characteristics? (feathered shanks, crest, etc)

Personally I find it very hard to come across a non-Araucana who meets that. Or a true Araucana who doesn't. I think anyone who knows what a real Araucana is knows that not all can be shown because of the tufts vs clean-faced thing. Beyond that most any other disqualifying traits are ones that would DQ any other breed. Luckily Araucanas don't come across issues, at least far as I've heard of, like feather stubs on shanks or lacking an important trait (beard/muffs) like found with some "Ameraucanas."

So, like said, it is very hard to truly confuse an Araucana with an EE. The only way is to breed an Araucana with a yellow legged, clean-faced bird with similar bodily characteristics and choose and point out the rumpless offspring. But, that's pretty darn rare considering Araucanas in general are rare, and crossbred related ones are even more so.

 

[cashdl]

Actually 75% of the worlds araucana do not meet the standard of perfection because they are not tufted. That is the genetic nature of the araucana. Probably another 20% do not meet the standard of perfection because they are not the correct color. It does not make them easter eggers, nor does it make them non araucana. Araucana breeders do not take the line that if it does not meet the standard of perfection it is not an araucana. In the araucana world even two correctly colored aracuana when bred together will give you all kinds of surprises color wise, they are still araucana.

I find it less confusing to people regarding the araucana versus easter egger also to say if it lays a blue egg, is rumpless, has correct skin color and has a pea comb, its an araucana, even if it doesn't have tufts.


Lanae

 

[Illia]

Didn't I just mention that though? (pertaining the tufts issue, plus earlier the AOV colors issue)

 

[cjwaldon]

If Ameraucana breeders are taking the stand that if an incorrect color should happen to appear, it is therefor not an Ameraucana, and therefor their line does not breed true and therefore cannot be Ameraucanas, are they then culling the whole entire line? Are they trashing years of work once they discover that they are not really breeding Ameraucanas but instead are breeding some mixed breed mongrol mutt chicken that should be called an Easter Egger? And if these breeders are keeping their breeding pens of what they openly admit are really Easter Eggers, but at the same time continuing to call them Ameraucanas, why then are they getting upset that the hatcheries are also selling mixed breed mongrol mutt chickens and calling them Amearaucanas? The mentality seems to be that "I can do it, but you cannot." We cannot ask the hatcheries to only sell their unknown heritage colored egg layers by a certain name if we cannot unanimously agree on what the name for our pure breed colored egg layers should be. We must stop calling our Ameraucanas by any other name if we expect the hatcheries to stop calling their Easter Eggers by any other name.

 

[BarnGoddess01]

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You make my point for me! This is exactly why the Ameraucana folks insist that birds that don't fit their colour description (in other words, don't look like what Ameraucanas are supposed to look like) or reproduce predictably are excluded from the breed - in an attempt to ensure that those unrepresentative genes are not carried forward.