EE/Ameraucana frustration

[Bullitt]

Just because a lab is yellow and black doesn't mean it isn't a lab. (As you it said it IS unlikely). Show quality is not the same as pure bred. A pure bred animal can vary from the standard in all sorts of ways, but it is still pure bred! That, I think, gets to the heart of the dispute in Americauna/EE dispute.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll show myself to the door....

A pure bred animal can vary from the standards in all sorts of ways? According to who?

If an animal does not meet the standards, how can you call it a pure bred animal? The standards are what establish what the breed is.

Why don't you try telling people that a Rhode Island Red with white spots is still a Rhode Island Red. People would laugh at you.

 

[chickened]

Remember... It is called "The Standard of Perfection" not "The Standard", there is no perfect bird only close to perfect. This is why some defects are allowed so there is a uniform line of demarcation so every thing below that line is out and everything above is in. Otherwise you have chaos which is what lead to the current topic... as an example.

 

[runsw/scissors]

According to people who breed, that's who! Pure bred does NOT mean they meet the SOP. It just means their parents are pure bred. Therin lies the crux of the problem. Those are two different concepts. It's especially infuriating when people start arguments about what your birds are or are not unasked. I wish the chicken fancy would just once and for all decide on this issue and save backyard fans like me all this argument and hassle...

 

[pinetown]

My frustration is that I bought these EE as chicks and the first hen lays brown eggs. I know that some are suppose to lay pink eggs, but these look just like the brown eggs my Cochins lay. I still have blue hen that hasn't started laying yet, so I hope she has blue eggs. I'm had EE in the past and always got colored eggs, even when they crossed with my other chickens. These chickens are pretty, but I wanted colored eggs!

Janice
in the Sierra

 

[chickened]

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According to people who breed, that's who! Pure bred does NOT mean they meet the SOP. It just means their parents are pure bred. Therin lies the crux of the problem. Those are two different concepts. It's especially infuriating when people start arguments about what your birds are or are not unasked. I wish the chicken fancy would just once and for all decide on this issue and save backyard fans like me all this argument and hassle...

 

[chickened]

I think they have... unofficially most breeders will say SQ or exhibition or breeder quality. But then again some "purebreds" are so far from the SOP that it really should be called a mutt or do as the Ameraucana breeders have done and label them an Easteregger. It would be nice if they did this for all breeds. The SOP's primary goal is to have a benchmark to judge birds against. Very few birds are truly purebred in fact the word purebred is almost false with chickens. I read somewhere where it said chicken is a breed with many types.

 

[redhen]

Personally, i think even the SOP experts/judges dont even fully know the answer to this...
Thats what its really sounding like to me...

 

[Illia]

Well again my opinion still stands - Like in other breeds if it meets the SOP and breeds true, why not it be considered that breed? Even if its grandparents or great grandparents were not purebred, yet it and its offspring to breed true and are completely showable, I'd say that's legit considering outside the Ameraucana controversy, other breeds are allowed to show as AOV colors. Other breeds also have different breeds bred into them to introduce new colors. Eventually the breeder got the new color in, and the birds to breed true to type again.

If we want to talk parentage, in chickens, there's very few breeds and colors left who are truly "purebred" for a lineage that spans at least 100 years.


So if I had a "silver laced" Ameraucana, and its color actually did fit to either the silver lacing in Sebrights/Polish or Wyandottes/Cochins, and the bird and its parents and offspring fit the SOP decently, and they indeed laid blue eggs, I'd consider it so. Lavender Ameraucanas aren't an accepted color and surely don't have the best background but I don't know many people who call them Easter Eggers.

 

[BarnGoddess01]

According to people who breed, that's who! Pure bred does NOT mean they meet the SOP. It just means their parents are pure bred. Therin lies the crux of the problem. Those are two different concepts. It's especially infuriating when people start arguments about what your birds are or are not unasked. I wish the chicken fancy would just once and for all decide on this issue and save backyard fans like me all this argument and hassle...

The "chicken fancy" HAS decided. Rules are clearly stated. Book is published. Big clubs have formed to maintain those standards. It is the folks constantly ignoring the rules that create all the argument and hassle!!!! Just because the chicken lives in someone's backyard does not make it exempt from application of these rules. It is what it is - whether you care to believe it or like it or not!

Doesn't matter if it's "purebred". Doesn't matter who the parents are. If it doesn't meet the breed description .... That's how it works with chickens.

 

[collaire]

YAY!!! At last. Well stated BarnGoddess01

The "chicken fancy" HAS decided. Rules are clearly stated. Book is published. Big clubs have formed to maintain those standards. It is the folks constantly ignoring the rules that create all the argument and hassle!!!! Just because the chicken lives in someone's backyard does not make it exempt from application of these rules. It is what it is - whether you care to believe it or like it or not!

Doesn't matter if it's "purebred". Doesn't matter who the parents are. If it doesn't meet the breed description .... That's how it works with chickens.