ethics?

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by hardboiled70, Sep 28, 2009.

  1. DUccleDude

    DUccleDude Songster

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    My wife and I show Black East Indie ducks. At the Buffalo N.Y. show of our birds won grand champion water fowl, at Twin Tier Poultry Club show didnt even place, then at northern N.Y. show took reserve grand champion waterfowl, then at Cobleskill N.Y. didnt place, and at the Syracuse N.Y. show won best of breed.
    Note that the judge for 2 of the shows with different outcomes was the same judge. Maybe its random. I cant figure it out. But Im new at showing.
     
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  2. Pathfinders

    Pathfinders Crowing

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    Quote:I completely agree. Condition isn't always external, a bird that is "light" may not look that way from the aisle, but when a judge picks it up, they'll know, and judge accordingly. Or there may be a crooked keel, or any number of other faults that may not be easily seen from the aisle.

    Quote:I second that. Or even, just clerk for a while with a couple of different judges, then you'll see things differently.

    OP, have you ever clerked? If so, for whom? At which shows? How many times? If you have, what did you learn?

    Like any human endeavor, there are always politics to a certain degree. But placement of winners is really based on the birds themselves, not the breeders (99.9% of the time.)
     
  3. hardboiled70

    hardboiled70 Hatching

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    I know many of the more successful breeders in the North East & when I see them at a show I know what to expect when I get to the class they show in. Usually I know their birds when I get to the class because usually they stand out as compared to others in the class.

    NYREDS you do judge by familiar lines rather than each bird?​
     
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  4. NYREDS

    NYREDS Crowing

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    Quote:NYREDS you do judge by familiar lines rather than each bird?

    I don't understand your question. Can you rephrase it please?
     
  5. KatyTheChickenLady

    KatyTheChickenLady Bird of A Different Feather

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    I have to second pathfinder on clerking for a judge. You will learn so much with only a few "behind the clip board" conversations. it's a fantastic opportunity to grow your knowledge
     
  6. Chris09

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    You know if more people would just take the time to ask the judge why they placed a class the way they did I would be willing to bet that judge would take the time to explain the placing.. If you dont have a Standard of Perfection you might want to get one and see how close your bird come to the standard..
    I too have been showing for around 4-5 years but when I started I asked the judge why I placed where I did..
    The other thing is how well did your show its self? Did it just stand there or did it just stand there not showing its self off?

    It sounds stupid but the only thing that kept me from grand champion at are county show was that my bird didn't want to show her self.. She wanted to take a sun bath..
    The judge said that he really liked my RIR but she just didn't want to show her self..

    Chris
     
  7. DUccleDude

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    I clerked for the first time for NYREDS at my clubs show and I learned a few new things, even though I didnt clerk very long. I think you can learn alot from clerking.
     
  8. Pathfinders

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    Quote:NYREDS you do judge by familiar lines rather than each bird?

    Are you asking him if he judges based on whose birds he thinks he's seeing in the cage? I am SURE his answer would be no, as would the answer of any ethical, reputable judge out there (which encompasses the vast majority of sanctioned judges.)

    Personally, if you had ask ME that question, I would have been highly insulted, fwiw. But I am not a judge (don't have the intestinal fortitude to go through the difficult process, nor would I want to be on my feet all day at a show!)
     
  9. Chris09

    Chris09 Circle (M) Ranch

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    Pathfinders: Personally, if you had ask ME that question, I would have been highly insulted, fwiw. But I am not a judge (don't have the intestinal fortitude to go through the difficult process, nor would I want to be on my feet all day at a show!)

    I have to agree with you. I think I would be insulted all so.

    Chris​
     
  10. NYREDS

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    Quote:I have to agree with you. I think I would be insulted all so.

    Chris

    I was which is why I asked him/her to rephrase. I can't believe it meant what it sounded like it meant.
     

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