Euskal Oiloa ( Basque Thread)

[1muttsfan]

As far as I can find out any bird with a crop can develop pendulous crop. You may be able to tell if you try to empty it through his beak - this is a tricky procedure, and you should check out some threads on BYC and maybe check Youtube for any videos before trying it.

 

[GaryDean26]

This also could be an impacted crop. You might try to take all the feed away at night then examine him in the morning before he has had anything to eat. If he still has the big bulge in the morning it means the crop is not emptying over night. This is due to long stringy things like straw or grass getting balled up in the crop not permitting it to empty. If the Crop isn't emptying at night he will suffer from malnutrition (and have a huge bulge all the time).

 

[CackleJoy]

He has a distended crop.

I don't even know what that means.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say that's not normal. I don't know what it could be.

But thinking aloud, #1 pendulous crop shouldn't keep him from roosting, #2 in my short experience w chickens, none have had pendulous crop, plus I thought that it was a hen's ailment?

#3 I once had a large brood of chicks that started roosting on a wire fence, and I let them. The fryers all developed breast blisters, which were pretty gross during processing, but never kept them from roosting. The biggest blisters were the size of my two thumbs together, with maybe 1/4 -1/3 cup of fluid in them. I changed the grow out pen set up.

#4 it's not fat, my Basques and the Basques of friends I've seen are lean, with almost 2/3rds leg-thigh meat to breast meat. Raising the cockerels as capons will result in fat distribution on the leg-thigh and heavy deposits of fat in the pelvis and around the gizzard.

#5 The 'poo spot' looks like part of him, to me... I hope I'm wrong, but something tells me he's a short timer.

#1 - I think he doesn't roost because he doesn't want to - that's all.
#2 - I didn't even know pendulous crop was a thing.
#3 - I don't know what set up he had prior to coming to me. I've had him all of 3 weeks and this thing came with him.
#4 - I can't wait to eat one and see how they are Is that weird?
#5 - I agree but I sure didn't want to pick it and see what would happen. My suspicion is that he's a short timer as well. If I knew this thing wasn't genetic, I would go ahead and put him with the girls when quarantine was over. That way I could get a few fertile eggs before he goes.

Once he does go - I plan to march him over to the local Lab (I'm lucky it is a 20 minute drive) and get the mystery solved!

So this issue - does ANYONE think it is genetic? Would it be okay to try and get some chicks off of him?

As far as I can find out any bird with a crop can develop pendulous crop. You may be able to tell if you try to empty it through his beak - this is a tricky procedure, and you should check out some threads on BYC and maybe check Youtube for any videos before trying it.

He came to us with this issue and we've had him for almost 4 weeks (tomorrow). I'm thinking this has been a problem for a REALLY long time and I'm not up to trying any surgical procedures. Blech.

This particular one sounds very gross. I didn't even know that pendulous crop was a THING. Thank you for bringing that up.

This also could be an impacted crop. You might try to take all the feed away at night then examine him in the morning before he has had anything to eat. If he still has the big bulge in the morning it means the crop is not emptying over night. This is due to long stringy things like straw or grass getting balled up in the crop not permitting it to empty. If the Crop isn't emptying at night he will suffer from malnutrition (and have a huge bulge all the time).

I don't think this bulge is going anywhere in one night. It is seriously huge. I do see him eat a little bit. He scratches some at the grass but doesn't gorge when I give him treats. From 5 yummy grapes he ate a couple and several days later there is still 1 laying in the grass. His pen has an open bottom so he can scratch up the Bermuda. He isn't a vigorous scratcher. His comb is not bright red so I wondered about malnutrition. Shall I try giving him some good sized pebbles to choose from? He's outside and birds that have access to the ground don't get grit as our ground is full of sand, pebbles and other goodies.

I really appreciate everyone's input! I'm learning a lot!

Does anyone think this could be worms or worm related? Should I worm him? Some people do worming as a matter of course during quarantine. I didn't but wonder if it might help. Kind of afraid to start throwing treatments at him. His pale comb concerns me and I'm afraid I'm going to kill him.

 

[LindaB220]

I don't even know what that means.

#1 - I think he doesn't roost because he doesn't want to - that's all.
#2 - I didn't even know pendulous crop was a thing.
#3 - I don't know what set up he had prior to coming to me. I've had him all of 3 weeks and this thing came with him.
#4 - I can't wait to eat one and see how they are Is that weird?
#5 - I agree but I sure didn't want to pick it and see what would happen. My suspicion is that he's a short timer as well. If I knew this thing wasn't genetic, I would go ahead and put him with the girls when quarantine was over. That way I could get a few fertile eggs before he goes.

Once he does go - I plan to march him over to the local Lab (I'm lucky it is a 20 minute drive) and get the mystery solved!

So this issue - does ANYONE think it is genetic? Would it be okay to try and get some chicks off of him?

He came to us with this issue and we've had him for almost 4 weeks (tomorrow). I'm thinking this has been a problem for a REALLY long time and I'm not up to trying any surgical procedures. Blech.

This particular one sounds very gross. I didn't even know that pendulous crop was a THING. Thank you for bringing that up.

I don't think this bulge is going anywhere in one night. It is seriously huge. I do see him eat a little bit. He scratches some at the grass but doesn't gorge when I give him treats. From 5 yummy grapes he ate a couple and several days later there is still 1 laying in the grass. His pen has an open bottom so he can scratch up the Bermuda. He isn't a vigorous scratcher. His comb is not bright red so I wondered about malnutrition. Shall I try giving him some good sized pebbles to choose from? He's outside and birds that have access to the ground don't get grit as our ground is full of sand, pebbles and other goodies.

I really appreciate everyone's input! I'm learning a lot!

Does anyone think this could be worms or worm related? Should I worm him? Some people do worming as a matter of course during quarantine. I didn't but wonder if it might help. Kind of afraid to start throwing treatments at him. His pale comb concerns me and I'm afraid I'm going to kill him.

Sorry, I'd cull and crock pot.

 

[ronott1]

Sorry, I'd cull and crock pot.

Before you cull him, get him back to me.

He had a crop problem when he was several months old.

PM me your address and I will pick him up this weekend.

 

[CackleJoy]

Sorry, I'd cull and crock pot.

That's easy to say if you havn't been through what I have to get these birds.

First batch - invested in 10 started birds, up to 6 wks old.

Care takers over the holidays while we were gone neglected to feed and water the grow out pen. Several died. A hawk came and several more died. Ended up with 2 pullets.

Got a cockerel from out of town (4 hrs round trip).

That cockerel died just after the pullets started laying eggs. Necropsy was inconclusive. They think heart attack. The lab said he was a healthy bird.

Got another cockerel (this one) it was a 4.5 hrs round trip in driving rain and a 1 yr old. He isn't even out of quarantine yet.

I've had Basque for almost a year and have yet to really get started. If he isn't genetically maimed then I can at least get some chicks for my time and money.

I do have chicks I hatched from shipped eggs and eggs set from the pullets after the 1st cockerel died. Some of those are developing. Still, I'm looking at another 5 months before I have a good cockerel, if I wait on those chicks.

AND EEeeeWWW! I'm not sure I want eat a bird that grew a goiter.

 

[ronott1]

That's easy to say if you havn't been through what I have to get these birds.

First batch - invested in 10 started birds, up to 6 wks old.

Care takers over the holidays while we were gone neglected to feed and water the grow out pen. Several died. A hawk came and several more died. Ended up with 2 pullets.

Got a cockerel from out of town (4 hrs round trip).

That cockerel died just after the pullets started laying eggs. Necropsy was inconclusive. They think heart attack. The lab said he was a healthy bird.

Got another cockerel (this one) it was a 4.5 hrs round trip in driving rain and a 1 yr old. He isn't even out of quarantine yet.

I've had Basque for almost a year and have yet to really get started. If he isn't genetically maimed then I can at least get some chicks for my time and money.

I do have chicks I hatched from shipped eggs and eggs set from the pullets after the 1st cockerel died. Some of those are developing. Still, I'm looking at another 5 months before I have a good cockerel, if I wait on those chicks.

AND EEeeeWWW! I'm not sure I want eat a bird that grew a goiter.

He is from Megan and these genes came directly from Spain. His crop problem is not hereditary and not a goiter. He had sour crop at about three months old which leads to mushy crop.

He has not been on dirt so would not have worms yet. He was cage raised since I cannot have roosters in the city. I would breed him but the project fizzled out with the egg farmer in Winters.

 

[CackleJoy]

Before you cull him, get him back to me.

He had a crop problem when he was several months old.

PM me your address and I will pick him up this weekend.

Oh I wasn't planning on being too quick with the crock pot thing! I don't want him suffering but he is a beauty and I've grown to rather like having him dance at me every time I pass the cage. We've named him Tony because he is a Latin dancer (Antonio Banderas did that movie about teaching ballroom dance in the slums).

I also wasn't saying where he came from because I really like him and totally know how things can be missed. The last thing I wanted was to have someone think this bird came from a faulty source. I respect you too much for that.

If it were me looking at a bunch of cockerels for someone, I'd go find the nicest (which you obviously did) and being busy might miss this thing. When he is just standing around you can't see it. I had to watch him for a while to figure out there was something under the feathers.

Do you think this thing can be fixed? If so, I'd be glad to learn from you. In fact, with direction better than youtube I'd muster up and do what ever is necessary.

 

[CackleJoy]

He is from Megan and these genes came directly from Spain. His crop problem is not hereditary and not a goiter. He had sour crop at about three months old which leads to mushy crop.

He has not been on dirt so would not have worms yet. He was cage raised since I cannot have roosters in the city. I would breed him but the project fizzled out with the egg farmer in Winters.

So breeding him before he became too sick to do his job would be wise! I don't know all the terms you are using. Again showing ignorance. I'm glad I didn't go ahead and worm him unnecessarily! I will wait to put the girls in with him until after we discuss this a little more. I will say that I think he will be very excited to have company!

 

[ronott1]

So breeding him before he became too sick to do his job would be wise! I don't know all the terms you are using. Again showing ignorance. I'm glad I didn't go ahead and worm him unnecessarily! I will wait to put the girls in with him until after we discuss this a little more. I will say that I think he will be very excited to have company!

That is good news!

I do not think it will get worse. It is from the sour crop.

PM me your address--I have some crop pills I will send you. It fixed the sour crop problem he had--that was back in December. You give him one pill a night until the crop is back to normal.

It is this: http://www.twincitypoultrysupplies....ain_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=210