exotic duck question??

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Dr. Todd :

Done correctly and at the appropriate age pinioning is a very quick and safe technique. It should not be performed on adult birds by anyone who is not a veterinarian trained in the procedure. I personally only pinion what absolutely has to be pinioned (geese that tend to be skittish including brant and red-breasted, any bird that will be in an open enclosure).

Boggybottom:

The act of pinioning waterfowl is REQUIRED by the Federal Government, that or removal of a hind toe, seemless bands, or tattoos the last 2 no one does.

There are plenty of folks using seamless bands, you've been out of the loop for too long! Many of the serious folks have been using them for years on waterfowl rather than pinion or toe-clip, especially on the rare species. I'd be happy to provide links to sources for the seamless bands to anyone who wants to start using them.

Dr. Todd​

Havent been out of the LOOP there Hot Rod! Most all breeders still use the toe or wing marking, plain and simple​

 

[BlackBrookPoultry]

Speaking of declawing cats, maybe we all need to put our claws away! Everyone has their own opinion. Some people cut toes, some pinion and there is always the seamless band option to stay legal. You could even do a combination. I use seamless bands and clip wings on some. Mine usually don't want to leave their little flock so as long as most are clipped I'm ok.

If you want to guarantee your birds won't fly away (ever) go ahead and pinion.
If you don't mind clipping their wings every year go ahead and band them and clip the feathers on one wing.

 

[Dr. Todd]

Cheers BlackBrook. To each his own.

Dr. Todd

 

[waterdog]

I agree we all raise birds and we all do it a little different. I always love to talk to other breeders and see how they do it maybe I can find ideas to expand my success. There is not one proven way to do anything when it comes to exotic waterfowl and by sharing our experiences we can help each other out, just because I do things different than some one else doesn't mean one of us is right and the other wrong. With that being said we toe clip, pinion and use seamless bands it just varies on the species. All of our gesse and swans are pinioned, with the geese it is for there own saftey we haves lost fullwinged geese by trying to fly in anetted avairy and breaking there necks. In Michigan it is a state law for Mute swans if you have them they have to be pinioned and doneproperly when they are a day old it is not that big of deal.

 

[destinduck]

hey waterdog , Do you have falcated and shovelers for sale? BTW Nice place you have. Beautiful.

 

[Sumatra503]

I've been trying to get pics, but my camera's broken. I also don't have any small ducklings to demonstrate the procedures on.

Pinioning is not painless, though it may not be extremely painful. Removing a part of the wing does cause pain to the bird however small of an ammount you assume. Please stop saying it is painless, and just say mostly painless instead.

It is possible that it does cause them an ammount of pain, but they just don't show it. Wild waterfowl rarely show any pain and it is difficult to detect illness in them until they are very sick.

I'm not saying pinioning is bad, but it would be terribly inaccurate to say it is painless or does not hurt. By the very nature of it it has to hurt at least a bit.

 

[swheat]

I know it has been explained, but here is a diagram.

 

[destinduck]

Where did you hear of this procedure sumatra? Not being mean but I cant find it anywhere! Cutting the center part of the wing? At the very least give us more info please. ALSO ANYBODY out there ever heard of this ?

 

[waterdog]

Thanks destinduck we are about sold out of birds for this year no shovelers left one falcated hen.

 

[J3172]

I was just looking at a trumpeter swan that was tendon cut, how do you do this or is vet required? As for Sumatra503 pinioning cant hurt very much at all and is not cruel in anyway. Also what do you mean the wild wood ducks are prettier they look the same 100%.