exotic duck question??

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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Nope, I agree J3172
wild animals do feel and show pain, when they get hurt, they try to get away, never had many even flinch when I pinioned them. Do remember now, you do this right as they hatch (well I do) at this point, the part you are cutting is nothing more than a tiny piece of skin with a little fuz on it. THERE ARE NO BONES AT THIS TIME and very little to any flesh.
So yes, I stick with my painless theory on it. I'm sure they feel a touch of something, but not much at all. Does the bird in Randy's pics look horrified, traumatized or anything like that to you? Shot, they are all still standing at his feet with the parents....Also, it's your technique removing flesh as well? May have misread it, but seemed that way.

oh and J3172, yes , you're right they are 100% identical, they are the same species after all right?

 

[spectrumranch]

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Sumatra-
If you can not supply photos, please answer some questions.

At what age is this procedure performed on a bird? or is it at any age?

How exactly is this performed? what & where do you cut? how far & how much?

 

[obsessedwithbirds]

yea the only methods of de-flighting birds that I've ever dealt with are clipping, tendon-cut, and, of course, pinioning.

 

[Sumatra503]

I did explain on the first page a bit, but i suppose I shall have to explain again.

This is performed at the same age as pinioning, but can be performed at any age with some consideration.

Simply take a pair of sharpened shears, the medical ones work best, and snip a very small ammount of the flesh where the primary flight feathers will eventually be located. The area is in roughly the center of the end of the wing. Remove only about a quarter of an inch long piece and cut out just the very edge of the wing on a very small duckling. This will remove a portion of the feather follicles on the wing and will prevent new feathers from growing in. Mostly it produces no blood, but may produce a small drop just as pinioning.

On an adult duck simply cut out the flesh below the feathers. Remove about six feathers from one or both wings. Cut first in and then across the wing. There will be a bit of blood, as this is an adult bird and not a duckling, but the bleeding will stop with no problems once the bird is released and able to rinse its wing in water. A bit of stiptic powder can be added if the bleeding is extreme, but this rare. Mostly a few drops of blood and the bleeding will stop quite quickly. This method for adult ducks doesn't pose the risks that pinioning adult ducks does. If you have an adult bird that must be rendered flightless this method is my preffered method.

The parts of a duck's wing for refference.

 

[Sumatra503]

There are bones in a hatchling duck's wing. They are just thin and soft when they are so young.

Do not say painless if you, yourself admitted that it does cause them a little pain.

 

[spectrumranch]

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How many birds have you performed this on?

 

[Sumatra503]

Roughly 10. I mostly leave mine full winged, so my number is small. Most of those 10 were birds that I sold.

 

[spectrumranch]

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I am fasinated by this proceduce! What type/breed birds did you perform this on?

 

[Sumatra503]

I used this method on some of my Pekin crosses to test it out. I didn't want to try it out on my more expensive Mandarins, plus I like to keep them full winged. I also used it on two Mandarins with success.

I don't have my Mandarins anymore due to a move, but I do still have those dumb pekin crosses. I miss my Mandarins and just realized I keep talking like I still have them.

 

[spectrumranch]

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So since you sold the birds you performed this on, do you know what the results were when they reached maturity? was the bird basically flightless, did the other feathers around the removed part grow in normal or disfigured?