exotic duck question??

[Sumatra503]

I still have 4 of the birds. They are flightless, it works the same as feather clipping. The feathers around it grew back well for the most part. There was one that had some odd feather, but they aren't noticeable unless you know to look. It is in essence just a permanant form of feather clipping.

Edited to fix a typo.

 

[spectrumranch]

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How about some photos? of the finished product.

 

[J3172]

yes I'm interested as well

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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I didnt say there were no bones in the entire wing, but, no at hatch there are NONE in the tip joint you remove by pinioning. At this point, there is only skin as the metacarpals have not yet developed. They come in rapidly after hatch, so this is why pinioning is dont in the very first few days.
As for beating the dead horse on pain, I assume your method is? can really see the difference here. I mean honestly, pinioning is cruel in your opinion, yet you are basically doing the same thing? And saying it can be done to adults as well? This isnt painful??
Just wondering about your logic now
Not saying your method doesnt work, but failing to see the difference in the ethical/ non ethical issue?

 

[destinduck]

Just cant see how it wouldnt permanantly disfigure the wing. and still to me seems like exactly amount of pain by the way. Am I missing something ?

 

[Sir Birdaholic]

Sheesh! I tried to ruffle some feathers on another thread about dubbing is no more painful than us getting our ears cut off, & I didn't get near the disrespect I deserved!

This one HAS ruffled some.

 

[spectrumranch]

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I have been trying to keep an open mind and looking at/collecting facts on this feather folicle removal (I'll call it FFR) prodcedure in question. With that said, I agree with Boggy.

After raising ALOT of birds, my experience/observations leads me to believe the FFR would be MORE painful than pinioning. Here's WHY:

On an adult duck simply cut out the flesh below the feathers. Remove about six feathers from one or both wings. Cut first in and then across the wing. There will be a bit of blood, as this is an adult bird and not a duckling, but the bleeding will stop with no problems once the bird is released and able to rinse its wing in water. A bit of stiptic powder can be added if the bleeding is extreme, but this rare. Mostly a few drops of blood and the bleeding will stop quite quickly. This method for adult ducks doesn't pose the risks that pinioning adult ducks does.

Consider this- when roasting a bird (esp waterfowl) for supper, look how far the feather folicles for the flight feathers actually goes up into the skin! They are very deep next to the bone. Now my experience says if all of the folicle is not removed, a feather will grow, more than likely it will be a deformed feather. For the FFR proceduce a cut almost next to the bone would be required to remove the whole folicile. Am I wrong in thinking this would bleed alot? take along time to heal? cause the bird alot of pain?

Since the comparision to a human arm has been mentioned. I imagine the FFR would be like taking a knife and cutting the flesh off the side of my hand. I would rather cut off my pinky finger!

Simply take a pair of sharpened shears, the medical ones work best, and snip a very small ammount of the flesh where the primary flight feathers will eventually be located. The area is in roughly the center of the end of the wing. Remove only about a quarter of an inch long piece and cut out just the very edge of the wing on a very small duckling. This will remove a portion of the feather follicles on the wing and will prevent new feathers from growing in. Mostly it produces no blood, but may produce a small drop just as pinioning.

I have some 2 week old muscovies I considered trying this on (as an experiment)- but when I picked the first one up, I can not see how FFR can be accurately performed on a wing that small!​

 

[Sumatra503]

For the record, I never stated my method was painless. I simply like the way the birds look as apposed to pinioning and feel it is less painless to an adult bird. I am simply trying to explain this the same way you are all explaining pinioning, so stop insulting me and going on about which method is more cruel and just let me explain it, alright. I'm still trying not to argue, but if you dislike it when I insult pinioning, please stop insulting the FFR method and trying to say it is cruel and painful, cause the same has been said about pinioning.

FFR can be accurately performed on a small bird. On a two week old bird you should be able to see where the follicles are or at least have a general idea. Remove a small area on the wing of the skin at the edge. An area about the size of half your fingernail in length. It is on the section of the wing past the last joint. Given it does take a good eye to see the follicles, but they are there.

An FFR wing looks the same as a natural wing when the wings are folded just as a feather clipped wing does. The bird flaps and the gap can be seen, but it is not apparent until then.

A damaged feather follicle will rarely grow a good feather back, if any at all. It is not nescessary to cut all the way to the bone in order to prevent the growth of new feathers. A wing has very little flesh on it and is mostly comprised of the feathers themselves. If you look at a wing you will notice how narrow the actual wing is and how thin thit is. Removing the follicles removes a fairly shallow ammount of flesh given the thin flesh covering of the wing.

 

[spectrumranch]

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Sorry Sumatra- my comments above where not meant about you personally when I said "you". After rereading I see how that could be interpted, but I was using "you" in a general statement for everyone reading this. I will go back and correct my grammar.

 

[sourland]

Be certain of one thing: pictures of a non existant procedure on non existant birds can not be posted. It's an impossibility.