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[Sumatra503]

It wasn't your grammar or the use of the word "you" and it wasn't just you I was speaking to.

I've been trying not to argue and to just talk about my method and how it works without bringing up the which method is more painful conversation. I have no way of knowing how painful these procedures are because I'm not a duck and have never had them performed on me.

I will post pictures when I can, but for now I have no way to post them, so your constant requests for pictures can't be answered with one.

Please, by all means, keep an open mind as I do my best to explain the FFR method.

 

[spectrumranch]

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here are the rest of my comments....................didn't have time earlier.

I'm still trying not to argue, but if you dislike it when I insult pinioning, please stop insulting the FFR method and trying to say it is cruel and painful, cause the same has been said about pinioning.

Sumatra, I am not trying to insult you or FFR, I AM SIMPLY questioning the proceduce and stating with facts why I don't think it is less painful than pinioning. Remember Sumatra, you were the first in this discussion to mention "cruelty".

An FFR wing looks the same as a natural wing when the wings are folded just as a feather clipped wing does. The bird flaps and the gap can be seen, but it is not apparent until then.

The feathers around it grew back well for the most part. There was one that had some odd feather

I look at the statistics- if FFR was performed on 10 birds, 6 were sold and the results not avialable, on the 4 birds left, one has odd feather growth............... So that tells me that 25% had feather deformities from FFR. I have seen less than one percent of birds with feather deformities from pinioning.

A damaged feather follicle will rarely grow a good feather back

IMO Very true!

if any at all.

IMO they usually still grow!​

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

I fully agree Spectrum, and just for the record Sumatra, I would like to refer you back to your original post here now.

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Now, please dont take me wrong here, I have nothing against you at all, but from this post, and the way it reads, you have never personally done this procedure yourself anyway, thus the no pics I am assuming.
I could be wrong here, if so I do apologize, but that is what you wrote. Also, your first and last sentence ther, dont pinion, and it's bordering on animal crulety, well we all do this on an annual basis, how would you like everyone who does this to respond to you after that comment? I my eyes, you pretty much call all of us a bunch of butchers.


Now I do agree with you that adult pinioning is bad on the birds, though I have done it many times over the years. BUT, we are talking day old birds here, not adults, none of us have mentioned doing this to adults, it has all be for hatchlings, as this is when it is supposed to be doen to be less intrusive on the birds, at that time, it's a quick snip and you're done, period.
But to me, for adult birds this just seems no less, intrusive shall we say. As Spectrum pointed out, to get the follicle, the entire, well 3/4 of the top of the wing would have to be scalped to the bone as the primary flight feathers do indeed go way over the bone (that's what gives them stability in flight, the quill over the top of the bone.
Also, inorder to make these species flightless, you have to get most all the primary flight feathers, to take just a few will not stop them.
And to do both wings will not stop them, that will actually balance them back out and able flight again, though not as good as a full winged bird, they will still get lift off.

Could be wrong, never had pekings, but arent they flightless like cayugas for the most part too, anyway?

 

[destinduck]

Yes BBB and I have had pekins before.I Have to agree with sourland. I think this a made up procedure (or he just invented it) .by sumatra.Also cant see any benefits by it anyway and yes I have spent alot of time searching on the internet and talking to everyone I know. I could not find one shred of information on sumatras procedure. Anybody ? As they say on Mythbusters...BUSTED. My opinion Sumatra

 

[Sumatra503]

Apparently broken camera equals you're lying. I'm getting tired of all of this. It really makes me wonder what the point is in my trying to explain anything.

I appologized a long time back for post my OP. I guess I shoud go back and edit it, but i didn't see the point, since it's been quoted a few times now. You shouldn't be holding me to that post since the conversation has progressed a few pages since then. I'm getting tired of this. I took it back and have resinded it, so just let it die off and be forgotten.

You obviously didn't go back and read my response before you posted the rest of your comments. Go ahead and bring up my OP for the hundredth time you guys.

I was simply discribing the way this is performed on an adult bird, not that it is the same as a day old. I have never once stated that it wasn't painful you simply assumed i had said this. The cruelty thing keeps getting brought up by other people if you read the posts. I was simply trying to defend my self against everyone and not just you. You are just restating what others have said for the most part.

Taking just a few of the flight feathers from the center of the wing makes it impossible for the wing to maintain enough lift for flight. It makes the wings unbalanced and the bird will spiral when it attempts flight.

I suppose I must've been the first to develope this procedure. I thought for certain at least one person would have heard of it, but I guess I was wrong.

I appologize for saying anything in the first place I guess it was a mistake.

I can't take any pictures which must mean I'm a lier. My camera isn't working now and I don't have a cell phone. I will be able to take pictures as soon as I have a way to.

If you are really so keen you should actually try this on a couple of day old birds and see if I'm lying or not. Wouldn't that prove it to you all.

 

[destinduck]

Im tired of this too

last post on this thread

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Just restating what you yourself said Sumatra
"I HAVE HEARD OF A WAY" doenst sound to me like you yourself have personally done it to me.
If you had , you would have said,
The way I DO IT, is....

Now you are saying that you have done it, have birds you have done it to, etc, just pointing out the obvious that your post arent matching up and are changing page by page.
Not calling you a liar, but your post make it look that way.
Like wise Destin, done here....
not going anywhere at this point, just felt the final need clarify .

 

[spectrumranch]

I think this thread was a success, hopefully we have shown new people reading this thread, that FFR is not a proven method!

 

[J3172]

What is the point of going on anymore, we all know that ffr is not real, I took offense when you pretty much called what I do to my birds cruel making me in return cruel person. Now your getting caught up in your own lies with a procedure that by the sounds of things isn't any less stressful then pinioning.

 

[Sumatra503]

Here are the pictures I took when I borrowed my friend's camera. The rest of the feathers grew in around the removed area and covered it up a bit, but I hope you can still see it well enough. Please don't post anymore about it I just wanted to show you a couple of pictures.