FBCM with mossieness (sp?)

[blackdotte]

Why aren't the breeders culling out the defective birds and not breeding from them if culling is the answer?

$$$$$$$$$ sales to buyers that can't be bothered to do the required research.
Harsh but true.
David​

 

[Sparklee]

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$$$$$$$$$ sales to buyers that can't be bothered to do the required research.
Harsh but true.
David

Well, someone needs to tell the buyers how to buy BCM. I didn't know until I got a brown bird first time out of the starting gate and asked, "Hey, what's up?" Frankly, I don't think many of the sellers have done the required research either--either that or they're purposely duping buyers.

 

[tadkerson]

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Do you really think that is the best way to produce pure Black Coppers? That almost certainly doesn't solve the problem because the other BCMs that I have are likely infected by the "floating Wheaten" gene, too. As I said, I will be doing test matings on *all* the BCMs I have. They may *all* have the "floating Wheaten" gene aka recessive eWh. And that's too bad. A whole line (not variety) completely tainted and proliferating in huge numbers being called a Black Copper Marans, even winning at shows, all because no one wants to clean up the line. They just keep selling eggs and selling obviously off-color birds as Black Copper Marans even though their chests are nearly completely copper. Why shouldn't I just sell all the dark eggs I possibly can and not inform any buyer that there is a "floating Wheaten" gene? I could use a few $$. Or I could get creative and just call them Terra Cotta eggs from the LaRochelle Chicken or Cocoa-colored eggs from the Maritime Charente Hen. That would be fair. Maybe I could contract with a hatchery to buy X amount of eggs from me every week and they could cash in on the dark egg craze, too.

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Why aren't the breeders culling out the defective birds and not breeding from them if culling is the answer? They're not culling or I wouldn't have gotten 30% mossy birds. I just looked up some of the past auctions on eggbid and someone sold a clearly red-chested bird as a BCM. If breeders crossed with other dark egg laying varieties (or breeds) to maintain (or even resurrect) dark egg color, then they should have bred out the added traits that are not part of the BCM breed *before* they started selling the eggs and birds to the unsuspecting and uneducated public (as I was and many, many others are). Is it honestly a BCM if there are "floating Wheaten" genetics still in the line? Are we kidding ourselves, being ingenuine, delusional? Take the "floating Wheaten" genes out by performing test matings, and if you lose egg color, you get to start over. Inform buyers that Black Copper Marans are still project birds and are in need of a lot of work on conformation and one famous line (at least) needs the eradication of the "floating Wheaten" gene. Last time I checked, not one eBay auction mentioned anything about a recessive eWh gene.

Everyone accepting, yea, embracing, the "floating Wheaten" gene as something that "we just have to live with" doesn't make any sense to me. Why wouldn't breeders be embarrassed by it? I'm not a breeder and it embarrasses me to know that my birds aren't pure BCM, that they have a flaw called a "floating Wheaten" gene (recessive eWh). It's bad form. It's not the quality way to do things. Test matings before breeding and selling the birds/eggs are key. Nothing should be let out of the pens until test matings of all birds for recessive Wheaten have been performed.

And as for your admonition that I should be jumping for joy because I hatched eggs that happen to have produced birds that lay consistently a 6 or better ... huh? Well, the consistently thing hasn't been established yet. And I'll let you jump for joy. It's nice that some folks worked on egg color, I suppose. I'm sure I can't appreciate that work right now. Besides, aren't they now getting paid for their work ... including those folks who introduced the persistent flaw of the "floating Wheaten" gene? I bought plenty of eggs, paid my money, and thanked them. I think I've showed a reasonalbe amount gratitude, obviously not up to your standards, but ::shrug::. I'm jumping for joy for other things that I'm thankful for right now.

It is evident you are very unhappy about your situation. My post was not meant to be condescending or offensive. I was trying to be helpful. I apologize. I will delete my post and stop posting on this thread.


Tim

 

[AHappychick]

Well I have decided that I will mention and maybe even photo my mossie chick for when I sell my eggs. I am sure it will hurt my bottom line, but then again its not like I will ever make money selling chooks anyway and at least I wont have anyone mad at me

Sparklee I got a bunck of FBCM from a very well known source. I have mentioned it before, but almost half were either mossie or had webbed feet. I spent a lot of money and only kept a few from that group. culling over 20 birds.

My goal is to keep the best and cull the rest and keep doing that for the next few years. Egg color is important to me but so it their "look" so I now have 4 girls I am happy with and 1 boy not many but I am happy with them and no one else made the cut. I bought from 2 other people this year and I will be adding any that look good to my flock so hopefully I will have 6-7 girls by summer

and MAYBE another boy (I love my roo so much now I am going to have a hard time replacing him. But I always struggle with upgrading my roos I am still using Fuzzy Apple even though I have hatched out better roos (My white silkies) but he is sooooo sweet I just dont care