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Discussion in 'Feeding & Watering Your Flock' started by Beekissed, Mar 30, 2012.
And I'm backslopping, so I always have some, too.
Soooo, first egg Thursday when I got home from work. No egg yesterday (Friday), but we had a double yolker so I was prepared for a skipped day. No egg again today. I was out in the yard most of the afternoon and had the girls out free-ranging the whole time. Snoop and Lemon both went up the ramp a couple times and chatted with the nest boxes and kicked some straw around. I told them they could lay an egg for their Mama, but no luck.
I don't know who laid the first one and now I don't know when I'll get another one!! The waiting begins again...
There was a thread on here about people getting spent brewers grains from local breweries and they had asked if they were alright for feeding to chickens and seemed to be having a problem using them before they molded, so they were trying to spread them out and dry them and feed them a little bit at a time and all I could think of was, "Wrong move...put them in liquid and let them keep growing the good guys to preserve the good cultures." but I didn't say that at the time.
But my wheels were turning...I knew fermented feed would really create a wonderful bowel culture(because I'm a nurse and a hillbilly....one is well acquainted with bowel health and the other with fermented foods). I was also thinking, "These folks are getting FREE chicken feed?????? I'm calling the local breweries....." Well, I did and never got an answer, so I thought to myself, "Self, you can make your own, just like they did in the old days....let's see if anyone else is doing that and feeding it to chickens out there."
Did a little research on brewer's grains and how much protein and vitamins were in them and decided I wanted that for my chooks.
I knew they fed it to hogs because that's as old as the hills...everyone does that. But I didn't know about chickens.
Saw some foreign studies done on it, none in the states then....the studies confirmed what I suspected, so I jumped into it. Every hillbilly knows how to ferment corn so that was no learning curve at all. The rest is history.
Go to your room, young lady! No one said using food grade buckets was silly....I said worrying about it to the degree that it becomes a sticking point to making the FF is silly. We are all dying, inch by inch, and we cannot worry about all the myriad ways and means that we are dying or we will soon forget to live while we still can. Food grade, not food grade, lid, no lid, one bucket, two buckets, under the liquid or not under the liquid....all these issues just cloud up a simple process that shouldn't be creating such doubt and worry.
Bucket+Feed+Water+Time = FF That's all we really need to know at the bottom of the bottom of things.
Exactly. That's what I've been trying to tell folks...don't waste time or money dumping in special cultures or trying to do "lactofermentation" (wha????) by keeping it under water, putting on a lid, or culturing it with yogurt...you just get the same end result we are all getting with slight variations as to the type of lactobacillus and acetobacter.
1. Because different animals process the feeds in different manners and it's all according to how they process the nutrients in the feed as to how it will be absorbed. They cannot tell you how much of the nutrient will be absorbed and, if they even hinted that the nutrition in their feeds may not all be usable to the target animal, how many people do you think would buy their brand of feed?
2. Both..but in greater quantities due to the increased production and also the increase absorption of the ones present in the grain.
Glad you are back, Bee!
Just for the record, I am a chef by trade, long since hung up my tongs for an easier, less stressful life. I have always had many food grade containers to store bulk items. Since I live so far from warehouse stores I buy quantities of beans, pastas, quinoa, rice medleys, flours in bulk whenever I can get to the big city! The minute I started reading about FF, I was convinced that was the way to go. I simply donated one of my food storage containers to my chickens.
I purchased all of mine at Smart and Final, a West Coast mini restaurant supply and bulk food store. They are super high quality and have lids that fit and snap down, probably cost around 7.00?? Doesn't matter since I already had the bucket and it wasn't being used at the time I decided to ferment feed. Same bucket for 4 months, pretty sure it will last well over a year.
As long as they are not kept outside they should last virtually for ever....
Such great answers! Thank you so much, in so many ways!
We have a lot of beer brewers here, but he logistics of working with one is a factor ... and then you still need to balance the ration. It does seem "easier" to ferment poultry ration yourself.
I have been wondering I there are any generative chemical reactions happening in the ff. Like how fermentation can produce alcohol out of other stuff ... What other "nutrients" can it create, if any.